Edo Itachi Vs. Wonder Woman

You're looking at the speed of an attack compared to movement speed. Sasuke must have been moving at lightspeed to dodge Haku and he is only a genin, meaning all ninja above him would have the ability to move at lightspeed.

Sasuke has precog. K1 Naruto was FTL though.

Yet he still must have been moving at faster than light speeds in order to dodge.

And of course characters like Lee and Guy must move at lightspeeds in order to hit Haku.

They aren't just attacking at these speeds, they are moving. There is no difference.

You can't support Combat speed =/= Movement speed then go and say that Haku moving his whole body about 20ft is also combat speed.. less so if you want to compare that movement to a punch or kick.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Yet he still must have been moving at faster than light speeds in order to dodge.

If he moves out of the path before Haku attacks then Haku will miss.

Originally posted by BloodRain
You can't support Combat speed =/= Travel speed

By your logic, that man would be the world's fastest runner, by far.

Originally posted by Effect Veiler
Logic fail.

If he moves out of the path before Haku attacks then Haku will miss.

Support? It's a real life fact. Any anyone who thinks combat speed = travel speed is retarded.

By your logic, that man would be the world's fastest runner, by far.

Sasuke was moving out of the way before he awakened the Sharingan per Haku's words and you still haven't addressed Guy and Lee moving at FTL speeds.

The difference there is simple: one guy is moving his leg, runners move their entire body.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Sasuke was moving out of the way before he awakened the Sharingan

Originally posted by AuraAngel
The difference there is simple: one guy is moving his leg, runners move their entire body.

Originally posted by Effect Veiler
Oh, I almost forgot. You are one of those people who ignore the canon you do not like.

"For Haku, it's possible to move between the mirrors at the speed of light. It's impossible to see attacks send out from this literal light speed movement. For the opponent, nothing is left but to wait in amazement." - Masashi Kishimoto, 1st Data Book of Naruto

Anyone who denies this as canon fact is an idiot.

Even if he said that, he clearly retconned this when he explicitly had a character explain that no shinobi can possibly dodge a lightning bolt.

Originally posted by Effect Veiler
Sasuke awakened the Sharingan when Itachi killed his clan. Read the manga.

Are you being dumb on purpose? You honestly believe that Bolt could kick harder? Get out....

Started using it in the fight.

Didn't say that. Running and kicking are two different types of movement. Bolt could probably kick pretty hard but that's besides the point. Sasuke, Lee, and Guy are MOVING(ninja running) at ftl speeds when they dodge Haku.

Originally posted by Effect Veiler
Because Diana's top speed of mach five is fast enough to keep up with someone like Itachi.

"For Haku, it's possible to move between the mirrors at the speed of light. It's impossible to see attacks send out from this literal light speed movement. For the opponent, nothing is left but to wait in amazement." - Masashi Kishimoto, 1st Data Book of Naruto

Anyone who denies this as canon fact is an idiot.

facepalm @ this lightspeed angle.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Even if he said that, he clearly retconned this when he explicitly had a character explain that no shinobi can possibly dodge a lightning bolt.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Started using it in the fight.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Didn't say that. Running and kicking are two different types of movement.

After all this bullshit of trying to disprove facts, in the end all you managed to conclude that I was right.

you're an idiot if you think combat speed is the same thing as running speed, but you're also an idiot if you think anyone in Naruto is ftl.

Originally posted by Effect Veiler
Sasuke was using it the entire time, it took time for Haku to notice it. If you read the manga you'd know this.

Point and case. Combat speed =/= travel speed.

After all this bullshit of trying to disprove facts, in the end all you managed to conclude that I was right.

Oh really? Clearly Sasuke was dodging attacks offscreen without the Sharingan opened.

Well no. Attack speed=/=travel speed. Running to intercept an opponent and the like is still traveling since you're moving.

anyhow, this thread has been derailed.

the arguments for Wondy countering genjutsu have ceased, so i take that as concession that Itachi wins this match.

Originally posted by marwash22
anyhow, this thread has been derailed.

the arguments for Wondy countering genjutsu have ceased, so i take that as concession that Itachi wins this match.

Originally posted by Zack Fair

mine is bigger. hmph

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Oh really? Clearly Sasuke was dodging attacks offscreen without the Sharingan opened.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Well no. Attack speed=/=travel speed. Running to intercept an opponent and the like is still traveling since you're moving.

Travel Speed = Low acceleration over a great period of time

Combat Speed = Great acceleration over a short period of time

That would be true...if we weren't talking about lightspeed. Sustaining that speed for even a few miliseconds would allow them to travel hundreds of miles. Meaning that Mabui's technique is, indeed, worthless.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
That would be true...if we weren't talking about lightspeed. Sustaining that speed for even a few miliseconds would allow them to travel hundreds of miles. Meaning that Mabui's technique is, indeed, worthless.

Anyone with any actual knowledge of science could tell you that acceleration comes in three forms, increasing speed, changing direction, and decreasing speed (deceleration).

But let's disregard the fact that Shinobi are light speed. Because that really doesn't matter to this thread.

What makes you think that Diana who has trouble keeping up with Batman (Her mach 5 is limited to travel speed) could blitz Itachi who can summon Susanoo before in between lightning strikes? (You need both eyes open to summon Susanoo).