Bor vs Superman and Captain Marvel

Originally posted by h1a8
I'm not claiming that Surtur isn't a skyfather level being.

That's not the point. Surtur has fought plenty of times in comics and has had plenty of appearances. He wasn't always using galaxy busting force. He busted a galaxy once, that's it.

My point is that if a character shown a feat in comics then that doesn't mean everytime we see them in a comic they are operating at that level. Otherwise that would open Pandora's box and lead to many absurdities.

It is faulty to use the logic,
"Since Surtur is capable of destroying Galaxies and X character matched him then X character is also capable of destroying Galaxies." I can use that same argument for anyone I want and create absurdities everywhere.

Do you see?

OK.

I understand your point now.

Originally posted by h1a8
It started by Igniz using the logic to compare OF Thor with that of a power that can destroy a galaxy (Surtur). I rebutted that not all Surtur is capable of destroying a galaxy. This is because character's power levels fluctuate from comic to comic. For example, Firelord is capable of destroying a city or possibly a planet yet Spider-man beat him. It's PIS but nonetheless the point still stands. Firelord is not always operating at planet or city destroying levels.

Carver then said, that I'm contradicting myself because I use the highest showings but not allowing another to do the same. Carver clearly misunderstood my point as I wasn't suggesting that you can't use a characters highest showings in a forum but rather I was suggesting that everytime you see a character IN A COMIC doesn't mean they are operating at a their highest levels.

Then different posters started misconstruing the argument into something slightly different. I was just rolling with the punches from all angles and it started to appear as rambling.

Ah, I see.

What I took from the mention of Surtur was that OF Thor was capable of surviving The flames of his essence or whatever you call it that utterly destroyed everything else. A high durability feat for him just as is tanking the destroyers full blast but when he fought bor and was 'giving it his all' so to speak he was being seriously hurt and saw bor as a serious threat to his life registering Bor's power output pretty high on the charts when compared to the other things OF Thor has shrugged off/walked away from.

you seem to be looking at it as more of a low showing for OF thors durability and less a testimony to Bor's potential strength/power output.
Which is okay but if you take that away from Bor he has literally nothing and in turn we have nothing to gauge him by. All there is, is his and OF thors assessments and their brief fight.

Originally posted by h1a8
I stated things that Superman has shown to do in comics countless times.
He has fought intelligently using speed, freeze breath, mobility, etc. I'm not having Superman fight in ways he was never shown before. That would be out of character. Superman is intelligent and while knowing how powerful Bor is (he's the brother of Odin), he will bring his A game. But Superman won't fight in a way he has never shown to do in a comic.

What you described is out of character for an opening exchange.

Your lowballing of Bor isn't helping.

Originally posted by h1a8
Not all Surtur is capable of destroying a galaxy. Just because he did it once doesn't make it his natural power level. Otherwise everytime Gladiator hits someone it's planet destroying punches. Otherwise everytime Surfer blasts someone it's with planet destroying force. I can go on and on.

Oh really?

Enough power to destroy a Universe.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13621575/Thor-Zone-007.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13621576/Thor-Zone-008.jpg.html

Originally posted by h1a8
And being caught off guard has nothing to do with it. Loki can easily catch Thor off guard and fail like hell to turn him into snow, same goes for any high herald or trans level being not weak to magic. Hell Odin can be sleep and Loki can't change him to snow.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman is a lot stronger and more durable than Thor yet HP DD breaks him up with ease. So it's fair to say Superman can take a punch or two from Bor.

Originally posted by h1a8
ABC logic is faulty since character's flucuate in power from comic to comic and you are not considering rock paper scissors (it's how you beat B that proves you can beat C).

Lastly, you are not considering Superman's speed and freeze breath. Those alone renders this fight won on a majority scale.

This post is ironic 😂

Originally posted by Igniz
Oh really?

Enough power to destroy a Universe.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13621575/Thor-Zone-007.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13621576/Thor-Zone-008.jpg.html

Nice!

This post is ironic 😂

Originally posted by -Pr-
What you described is out of character for an opening exchange.

Your lowballing of Bor isn't helping.

Originally posted by SevenShackles
Ah, I see.

What I took from the mention of Surtur was that OF Thor was capable of surviving The flames of his essence or whatever you call it that utterly destroyed everything else. A high durability feat for him just as is tanking the destroyers full blast but when he fought bor and was 'giving it his all' so to speak he was being seriously hurt and saw bor as a serious threat to his life registering Bor's power output pretty high on the charts when compared to the other things OF Thor has shrugged off/walked away from.

you seem to be looking at it as more of a low showing for OF thors durability and less a testimony to Bor's potential strength/power output.
Which is okay but if you take that away from Bor he has literally nothing and in turn we have nothing to gauge him by. All there is, is his and OF thors assessments and their brief fight.

I don't equate energy blast durability with blunt force durability. So tanking energy blasts is not the same as tanking blunt force hits.

Can Bor harm Superman if he hit him? Yes.
Can Bor one shot Superman if he hit him? NO.
Can Superman harm Bor? Yes
Can Superman avoid Bor's attacks? Yes

Originally posted by Igniz
Oh really?

This post is ironic 😂

Surtur has battled Thor and others and never showed Galaxy busting power against them. Someone with that type of power would not only one shot any high herald but disintegrate them instantly with a single attack.

So again, everytime we see Surtur he is not operating at Galaxy busting power. Just like everytime we see Gladiator he's not operating at planet busting power.
Just like everytime we see Superman in a comic he's not operating at planet lifting/moving power.