That comes more like All There In the Manual. This speed is intended to be shown in Alastor-acquiring cutscene with the shards of glass frozen in place from Dante's point of view and figures in Million Stab move description. And time manipulation, once again.
Also, the best speed feats from Hancock are TRAVEL speed feats. Even painting one - he didn't include a ton of fine details in it. And his best COMBAT speed feat - catching a rocket in midair - will make Dante and Cyborg Raiden LOL.
I dunno, it'd s pretty big painting, though seriously I refuse to actually math it. Laziness. It does surpass anything I've seen from Dante based on me preconceptions though. 131 Cyborg Raiden is just something I'd rather not touch in terms of reaction time though.
At the end of the day what I'm trying to push home is that Dante and co are not the 'tier one' of the VG team. Kratos is.
Strengthwise, yes, Kratos is strongest one there is. However strength is better left for Hulk, and we're talking about speedblitzing here.
And we've already agreed that a mindtrick from Starkiller is the best way to put Hancock down - he's an alcoholic who has never faced a telepath in his life, so no punching contest there - just someone who can last agaist Hancock long enough for some patented Sith/Jedi mindf*ck.
If we replace Chief or Bayonetta with Nick Scryer the things become even funnier since Nick has POSSESSION as one of his powers. Possessed Hancock, anyone?
Alex Mercer
Master Chief
Kratos
Bayonetta
Dante
Cyborg Raiden
Nick Scryer (Psi-Ops)
Star Killer
Vs
Optimus Prime
Neo (for the purposes of the fight he is put in cybernetic body with same speed/strength/flight/durabilty stats, bullet timing is treated the same as Dante's Quicksilver/Bayonetta's Witch Time)
Hancock
G-Girl (My Super Ex-Girlfriend)
Yoda
Professor Xavier (in walking young body from X-Men: First Class, however, feats from all the movies apply)
Iron Man (the movie version)
Royal Pain (Sky High)
-----------------
A more balanced version of this VS. Minus Hulk, plus less weaklings for team Movies.
Note to the roster change above:
Gear Exchange specific rule.
Royal Pain has no access to her rejuvenation ray since I'm not sure this is a standard gear for her. However she is given a (movie) War Machine armor and a practice time (2 hours of pre-match planning time) to adjust to it using her technopathy powers.
On VG side Nick Scryer is given Spiral rifle from Dante's arsenal instead of a sniper rifle from his usual gear, but still keeps his regular Desert Eagle pistol.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I dunno, it'd s pretty big painting, though seriously I refuse to actually math it. Laziness. It does surpass anything I've seen from Dante based on me preconceptions though. 131 Cyborg Raiden is just something I'd rather not touch in terms of reaction time though.At the end of the day what I'm trying to push home is that Dante and co are not the 'tier one' of the VG team. Kratos is.
Kratos' brings the BoO, rage amps and strength a hundred times that of Bay and Dante. They all still have greater combative speed over him. Then theres Bay's Witch Time and summons, Starkillers lightsabers, force lightning and powerful.. powerful TK, Dante's time powers, hellfire, clones, DT amps, other strength/speed amps, teleport, damage absorption/redirection, regeneration, Yamato's cutting powers and BFR shots. They all have things to be in that tier.
Not so much Raiden.. but his strength, speed and powerful sword would allow him to easily solo every character under the top 5 here.
Standard gear, so I'm afraid Yamato and Ifrit are out for Dante...Other than that you are right.
And as for painting feat I thought that it was more "flying with the tank of paint over Moon surface and letting gravity do the rest" and not something that involves great dexterity feats.
By the way, how do you like an updated roster version? I'm afraid I've made it too much of a "kill a telepath" thing.
Oh yeah, well strip those two. Still a bunch of great abilities.
Ahh missed that. Well G-Girl, a Techopath War-Machine and Ironman definitely to replace Hulk somewhat increases their side, though leaves only Neo and Hancock for the physical side. Neo's speed amp puts him into tier 1 easy.
Trump card is the Prof.. no sure what would happen with him.
Well, I was going like - 3 speedsters for each side (Dante, Bayonetta, Raiden vs Hancock, G-Girl, Neo in cyber body with the same speed feats he did in Matrix (clarification to keep it fair - Matrix physical stats but no claims of "hacking the opponents' code' and other BS. To clarify which Matrix powers count and which do not count).
TK match - Yoda vs Starkiller
Telepathy match - Xavier vs Scryer (though Scryer is a Cable-lite so he's weaker in TP but more versatile than Prof). However, Scryer's rogue gallery included a Yuri (Red Alert3) expy and he's quicker on draw than movie Xavier, being a trained soldier.
(By the way, Mark (my boyfriend) suggested Yuri for VG side but I thought it would be stupid. That and his "Neo=Virtual Adept mage" theory.)
The rest - whatever BS I was able to throw in to make team Movie look less like a bunch of sitting ducks. On a side note, Kratos is now free from Hulk-wrestling duty and is ready to kick whatever ass needs kicking.
http://youtu.be/a1mHrEsQU3Q
On the side note, Leonov DID almost make Scryer kill himself with mind control...so Prof is an ace up the sleeve in this game.
Ah I see what youre going for. Yeah, makes things more equal.
Wasn't there a scene in X2 or 3 where Prof mind controlled tons of people? Curious to if he can make people do his bidding.
Can one persons mind control stop anothers? Like if Prof got in Kratos' head, but then Scryer attempted to get in Kratos' head too?
I'm not sure what'll happen. One of Scryer's powers (I gave a wiki article on him on previous page) is a psychic vampirism. He can drain psychic energy from other telepaths\psychically empowered normals to replenish his own.
And yes, Xavier froze a bunch of normal people in a museum. He also mindcontrolled an officer of Soviet ship and held Shaw in place in the First Class movie.
Xavier vs Scryer will probably go like Xavier vs Emma Frost in First Class movie (though she had additional bonus of diamond form, and Scryer, while a weaker telepath, has extra powers such as telekinesis, pyrokinesis and psychic vampirism).
In general, though, I think that getting into Kratos' head is not something a sensible telepath would do - Xavier struggled with Wolverine's mind and I think that in terms of RRRRAGE Kratos> movie Wolverine. ESPECIALLY a powered up Kratos.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBelHarry has many spells that he can employ. He can vanish Raiden in an eyeblink. Imperio, anyone?
Once again, my opinion depends on what is allowed.
And Harry Potter is not the most useless team movie member. At least he has Reparo and the likes of support spells and may act as healer to Optimus paired with him.
Originally posted by BloodRain
I guess he could drain Xavier, probably until he catches on and retaliates.Xavier will be a massive glass cannon. A great mental skill but it wouldn't take much to kill him. A stray bullet or shrapnel, not much he can defend from.
Scryer has to be in physical contact with the person in order to drain his mental reserves. Scryer will imo be fairly quickly overpowered by Xavier, atleast based on how he faired against Jov Leonov and Wrightson.
Originally posted by KingD19
That depends. Can Xavier get into Nick's head before Nick tosses him like a rag doll? I think the time it would take to fight Nick and break through his defenses is a lot longer than the point and click of TK.
I think he can, Scryer isn't (from what I recall from the game) a multitasker with his psionic powers. If Xavier attacks him Scryer will have to focus on the task of keeping Xavier out, he can't both focus on keeping Xavier out and at the same time focus his TK.