Originally posted by Rao Kal Elthis has nothing to do with what i posted. i was saying that green scar can do all the things the hulks of old could do just that he was working on low-gear rather than putting in effort.
Not in Incredible Hulk 300That was mindless Hulk, Banner is still on there, so he does not get the side effects of Banner less, but Hulk is in full control.
hulk has always been held back in a way, but not to the degree that his footsteps could destroy the earth around him with passive movements...still while holding back his true power.
it's undeniable
Originally posted by psycho gundam👆
this has nothing to do with what i posted. i was saying that green scar can do all the things the hulk's of old could do just that he was working on low-gear rather than putting in effort.hulk has always been held back in a way, but not to the degree that his footsteps could destroy the earth around him with passive movements...still while holding back his true power.
it's undeniable
Originally posted by psycho gundam
this has nothing to do with what i posted. i was saying that green scar can do all the things the hulks of old could do just that he was working on low-gear rather than putting in effort.hulk has always been held back in a way, but not to the degree that his footsteps could destroy the earth around him with passive movements...still while holding back his true power.
it's undeniable
I unsderstand what you are saying and I will reply accordingly. with evidence.
For now...
There is no denying that WWH or WBH are the strongest incarnations of the Hulk to present day. Mainly because of his ability to reach critical mass. While Banner less was also capable of achieving critical mass, there was no banner to balance the formula.
As for doing it in "low gear", I disagree, He got pretty worked out in WWH and he was having help too. WWH was nothing beyond of what Hulk was able to do or achieve up to that time. And if you compare sending an earthquake from one side to the planet to the other vs almost sinking the eastern seaboard on a earth map, you will see how much it dwarfs causing an earthquake on that portion of the continent vs Sending a ripple effect trough the mantle and the core from one side of the planet to the other. IMO
Originally posted by psycho gundam
the difference is that hulk was that dangerous while holding back the bulk of his power.
And to answer correctly to what you said.
When there was no banner, there is no one holding back the Hulk
When there is a Banner, Do you know EXACTLY how much Banner was holding back the Hulk? I don't, do you?
Originally posted by carver9
Who sent an earthquake from one side of the planet to the other? Do you have scans of this and was it as simple as WBH casual footstep.
Hulk did.
He also spiked a gun to earth's core. Like a football player spiking a football on the touchdown.
If you tag along I might teach you a thing or two about the Hulk 😄
Gotta go, for now. Work to pay the bills
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Hulk did.He also spiked a gun to earth's core. Like a football player spiking a football on the touchdown.
If you tag along I might teach you a thing or two about the Hulk 😄
Gotta go, for now. Work to pay the bills
I remember the gun scene along with him throwing a crystal through the earth mantle all the way to the core of the planet. If we are looking at Savage Hulks best then yeah, you could make an argument out of this but what WBH did with a "casual" footstep, that was something that was averagely portrayed with the character. High end fts, Hulk fist fights disrupting an infinite amount of dimensions, cracking Onslaught armor, causing planetary earthquakes, busting through planetary blasts, etc, etc, yeah, he does have those fts but you have to use a historical amount of portrayals to find them whereas WBH, he was/is always that powerful, including his footstep. If a minor footstep can cause the damage that it did to the United States, imagine what a stomp would do or a punch (aka; dark dimension).
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElI still think that a lot of this "awe" of current Hulks and stories, is due to a lot of fans, never having read a lot of older stuff.
This is why I was speachless when I saw alot of fans saying oh WWH is the most powerful hulk, because he did so and so and so.And I thought WTF? He has done all that before!!!???
Did I miss anything???
There are some great stories out there and the writers were able to create truly iconic battles for Hulk, without going stark rabid, raving, nuts over-the-top, like they do so often these days.
When he used to win horrible battles against horrible foes, it was actually in doubt and you were really pulling for him to do the impossible.
Now, it seems that the writers are just trying to top the last one to create a story.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
this has nothing to do with what i posted. i was saying that green scar can do all the things the hulks of old could do just that he was working on low-gear rather than putting in effort.hulk has always been held back in a way, but not to the degree that his footsteps could destroy the earth around him with passive movements...still while holding back his true power.
it's undeniable
Undeniable indeed.
Its abundantly clear that Paks intention was to elevate Hulk to new levels powerwise, levels which he only ever attained in isolated instances of extreme anger. This is why he repeatedly emphasized through numerous characters, Green scar being the most powerful Hulk ever. Green Scar however was shown to have started off at levels Hulk only ever reached in those rare instances of extreme anger and had the potential for an exponentially even greater increase with the existence of WorldBreaker mode.
The amount of far fetched rationalizing and discounting of on panel occurrences that has to be done in order discredit this, is enormous and evident in all the willful ignorance and made up theories being floated in this thread.
Originally posted by Naija boyI agree that Pak's intention was to elevate Hulk's on-panel feats to new levels.
Undeniable indeed.Its abundantly clear that Paks intention was to elevate Hulk to new levels powerwise, levels which he only ever attained in isolated instances of extreme anger. This is why he repeatedly emphasized through numerous characters, Green scar being the most powerful Hulk ever. Green Scar however was shown to have started off at levels Hulk only ever reached in those rare instances of extreme anger and had the potential for an exponentially even greater increase with the existence of WorldBreaker mode.
The amount of far fetched rationalizing and discounting of on panel occurrences that has to be done in order discredit this, is enormous and evident in all the willful ignorance and made up theories being floated in this thread.
I also agree about the rationalizing and discrediting of these occurrences. Believe it or not, I have actually done some of that from time to time. 😄
But, while it may seem like willful ignorance and made up theories to some of the mad-dog, fanatically-prone Hulk followers out there, who will actually insult and demean over belief in their hero, to others, it is just a bad case of having an "opinion", some self control and a positive outlook that says, "no, don't worry. Marvel would never do something as goofy and fan-pandering, as take Hulk completely out of his power-set and give him ridiculous feats that would make IG Thanos blush."
Next, let's have Wolverine decapitate the Living Tribunal!
Best Friends? 🙂
Originally posted by Horrificus
I agree that Pak's intention was to elevate Hulk's on-panel feats to new levels.I also agree about the rationalizing and discrediting of these occurrences. Believe it or not, I have actually done some of that from time to time. 😄
But, while it may seem like willful ignorance and made up theories to some of the mad-dog, fanatically-prone Hulk followers out there, who will actually insult and demean over belief in their hero, to others, it is just a bad case of having an "opinion", some self control and a positive outlook that says, "no, don't worry. Marvel would never do something as goofy and fan-pandering, as take Hulk completely out of his power-set and give him ridiculous feats that would make IG Thanos blush."
Next, let's have Wolverine decapitate the Living Tribunal!
Best Friends? 🙂
It being an "opinion" is not a defense for willfull ignorance and baseless manufactured theories contrary to clear on panel reality. Passionately and deliberately demeaning a fictional character at the expense of reason is far more indicative of fanaticism than the act of simply pointing out the aforementioned lack of reason. "I don't like it so it didn't happen..and that's my opinion!" is not a basis for an argument, it's evidence of delusion/trolling
But Yeah Bffs. 😄
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElJust saw this.
As for doing it in "low gear", I disagree, He got pretty worked out in WWH and he was having help too. WWH was nothing beyond of what Hulk was able to do or achieve up to that time. And if you compare sending an earthquake from one side to the planet to the other vs almost sinking the eastern seaboard on a earth map, you will see how much it dwarfs causing an earthquake on that portion of the continent vs Sending a ripple effect trough the mantle and the core from one side of the planet to the other. IMO
only thing i need to address is the fact that the green scar hulk that was the spotlight of the arc was his new "base" strength, in other words the power he rests at when he's as calm as the hulk can be relatively speaking.
The nail in the proverbial coffin is that after the intelligencia hacked tony stark's killer satellite and turned it into a super cathexis ray, banner stripped of X% of his worldbreaker level power we saw in the climax of the greg pak ( + loeb/mcguiness) run, banner was able to transform into savage hulk once again. savage hulk was able to fight red hulk w/loeb force a few times, losing the first time and again losing his power through absorption. he never gained that savage hulk power back, but he did get almost everything he gained at the end of planet hulk back (which would be on top of his savage hulk power, now lost post penultimate red hulk fight) and he destroyed red hulk while still holding back his power. he was in calm, pak hulk state (non vengeful green scar).
worldbreaker unrestrained is a whole different animal, but it goes without saying as his calm green scar/pak hulk state is enough to not only replicate savage hulk's non-outlier best feats, but then when you add worldbreaker, which is just the same guy not pretending he's weaker he does things that pretty much transcend his war incarnation and other beyond usual savage hulk fare.
Originally posted by carver9
Who sent an earthquake from one side of the planet to the other? Do you have scans of this and was it as simple as WBH casual footstep.
Originally posted by Naija boyu may not understand, but i probably like the Hulk character as much, if not more than u. which is y i have strong opinions about certain current events.
It being an "opinion" is not a defense for willfull ignorance and baseless manufactured theories contrary to clear on panel reality. Passionately and deliberately demeaning a fictional character at the expense of reason is far more indicative of fanaticism than the act of simply pointing out the aforementioned lack of reason. "I don't like it so it didn't happen..and that's my opinion!" is not a basis for an argument, it's evidence of delusion/trollingBut Yeah Bffs. 😄
Originally posted by StoicGood question. I don't think I would try to lessen the feat if it was Mangog, tbh. But, I can also say, honestly, I would have mixed feelings about it.
Would you have sought to lessen the feat if Mangog had done it? Fair question no?
