Originally posted by namorsubby
^Now tell me, is that a high end or even a good showing considering what he does routinely......no. Next.
Routinely, Batman has access to his utility belt and/or prep-time of some sorts and is familiar with the territory and enemies he's fighting.
Which isn't the same as being surrounded by 30 gorillas in the middle of some random jungle unarmed.
Originally posted by DTMPlease explain how it would be impossible for bruce to use tactics just like any other time in this match. Oh wait, its perfectly possible and exactly what would happen. Next.
But thats just it, in this situation, there is no other alternative.This match is actually so one sided against Batman, its almost a spite thread.
It really is....in bruces favor.
Originally posted by namorsubby
lol omg, YES. Yes tactics do mean sonething, everything actually. Its how he wins more often than not. Dear lord.....lol.
They mean a lot when you have the means to execute them, usually in the form of a pre-planned strategy of sorts or a utility belt. Without them in unfamiliar territory, surrounded by vicious animals that want to kill you, tactics are far less important than immediate survival.
I mean, what exactly do you see Batman doing here? Tricking them into killing each other? Forcing them to monologue, revealing their sinister evil ape plan?
Originally posted by namorsubby
Please explain how it would be impossible for bruce to use tactics just like any other time in this match. Oh wait, its perfectly possible and exactly what would happen. Next.It really is....in bruces favor.
Please explain to me how Batman uses tactics to escape these bloodlusted apes, all in their terrain, all surrounding him, and turns the tide on them? You explain it to me, just how does he do it?
Originally posted by JakeTheBankyou are severely underestimating bruces tactical skill and overestimating mindless apes. The gap between reality and what bruce does in comics is far greater than you think.
Routinely, Batman has access to his utility belt and/or prep-time of some sorts and is familiar with the territory and enemies he's fighting.Which isn't the same as being surrounded by 30 gorillas in the middle of some random jungle unarmed.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankI see him outsmarting a bunch of damn apes into their demise or capture. Thats what I see.lol
They mean a lot when you have the means to execute them, usually in the form of a pre-planned strategy of sorts or a utility belt. Without them in unfamiliar territory, surrounded by vicious animals that want to kill you, tactics are far less important than immediate survival.I mean, what exactly do you see Batman doing here? Tricking them into killing each other? Forcing them to monologue, revealing their sinister evil ape plan?
Originally posted by namorsubby
you are severely underestimating bruces tactical skill and overestimating mindless apes. The gap between reality and what bruce does in comics is far greater than you think.
I'm not underestimating his tactical skill. Rather, it's acknowledging that his tactical skill really comes into play when he has the equipment to help him and/or a plan ahead of time. Yes, Bruce can and has think on the fly, but in this case, any plan he comes up with will be pretty straight forward:
Survive.
The problem with that is actually following through with the plan, which isn't nearly as easy as you think it is.
Originally posted by DTMHeres the thing. Hes already proven much faster/agile/coordinated than mere apes. He escapes them. lures them into a place he can deal with them at once like a cliff, tavern, etc and he knocks off the few that reach reach him along the way. Simple.
Please explain to me how Batman uses tactics to escape these bloodlusted apes, all in their terrain, all surrounding him, and turns the tide on them? You explain it to me, just how does he do it?
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
If He can escape the circle in which He is surrounded by 30 Bloodlusted silver backs, he has a chance at hiding and using the jungle at his advantage. I can totally see this.The problem is escaping the circle. That is what I can't see.
Even then, this is the apes terrain, theyll climb to anywhere Batman is faster than he himself can climb, and their senses would allow them to track him as well. Hed have to have a 30 minute head start here, and thats not how this scenario is, hes in the middle of a horde of apes, all physically superior to him, and they want him dead. Batman has virtually no chance here.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Heres the thing. Hes already proven much faster/agile/coordinated than mere apes. He escapes them. lures them into a place he can deal with them at once like a cliff, tavern, etc and he knocks off the few that reach reach him along the way. Simple.
So he not only escapes being surrounded by animals as fast and agile as he is, who are expert at moving around in this terrain, but he lures them to some miraculous pit, and manages to make them all fall inside? Well, with such a probable situation like that, how could I ever think Batman wouldnt take this.........yeah..................
Originally posted by DTMit has everything to do with tactics. The fact that you assume tactics cant be used w/o his standard equipment is downright ridiculous.
OK, How? Tell me what exactly you see Batman doing to win here.This match has almost nothing to do with tactics, yet thats the sole reason you keep saying Batman Wins.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Please explain how it would be impossible for bruce to use tactics just like any other time in this match. Oh wait, its perfectly possible and exactly what would happen. Next.It really is....in bruces favor.
Unless Batman has gotten an adamantium skeleton, and healing factor, I don't see how this works out in his favor. I mean sure he's great at tactics, but this scenario leaves little room for error. Remember the OP. No PIS in this situation.
Originally posted by DTMlol you make it seem like this isnt exactly what would happen in a comic. Instead they would have batman killed by a bunch of damn gorillas. Straight up stupid of you.lol
So he not only escapes being surrounded by animals as fast and agile as he is, who are expert at moving around in this terrain, but he lures them to some miraculous pit, and manages to make them all fall inside? Well, with such a probable situation like that, how could I ever think Batman wouldnt take this.........yeah..................
Originally posted by namorsubby
lol you make it seem like this isnt exactly what would happen in a comic. Instead they would have batman killed by a bunch of damn gorillas. Straight up stupid of you.lol
Yep, Im definately the stupid one here......stupid for thinking I could have a rational, unbiased, and intelligent debate on this match with the likes of you.
quanchi is to Thanos
carver is to Hulk
namorsubby is to Batman
Got to remember that for future debate threads, I think.
Originally posted by namorsubby
lol you make it seem like this isnt exactly what would happen in a comic. Instead they would have batman killed by a bunch of damn gorillas. Straight up stupid of you.lol
batman is a human man without any powers. Last time I checked, a Silverback Gorilla is several orders of magnitude stronger and faster than a man. In terms of burst speeds they would be on him faster than he could dodge. His cape would also be a hindrance to him which would allow for them to grab him, pull him down and gang stomp the shit out of him. For crying out loud man, Conan would lose to this many Gorillas, and he overpowered one in one on one combat, and broke it's neck. Batman is not as hardy as Conan.
First of all the less superior Gorillas would be pelting turd at him from all angles, and the more dominant alphas would close in for the kill. That's without PIS. Also please refrain from insulting me. It's not that serious dude. You know?