wally west & barry allen vs brawlers

Originally posted by Digi
Debating Format

[b]Rules/Standard Fight SettingsBasic Knowledge
Each side receives basic knowledge of the other. A good measure of this would be what the general population of the character's homeworld knows. For example, that Superman has a weakness to Kryptonite is general knowledge, but that he's Clark Kent is not.

Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels. [/B]

Also, the battle occurs at the default arena:

Originally posted by Digi
Debating Format

[b]Rules/Standard Fight SettingsConcerning the Battlefield
Unless otherwise stated by the thread originator, the standard distance between combatants will be .5 kilometers in line of sight at the onset of battle, and there will be an implied "buzz" to signify the onset of battle. It will be assumed combatants are primed to go at the gun.

Also, all characters, regardless of where the fight takes place, or what universe/medium they are native to, will have full access to their abilities at optimum efficiency as they are depicted in their native universes. It will be assumed that each character fights as they are normally presented regardless of battle locale. This means that, for example, Flash will in fact have SpeedForce abilities if the battle took place in Marvel Manhattan. Battles will always take place on an assumed equal playing field. [/B]

And to be clear, this isn't up for debate, it's a notification. If people still have quations then PM a mod.

Originally posted by curryman
Yes.

Scans of characters as slow as these tagging the Flashes when they're serious.

alright bada, I wont debate rule interpretration. they blanket the field with AoE attacks like thunderclaps and groundstomps to thwart the assumed instablitz and throw them off balance. the higher end bricks' damage soaks would let them tank the initial blitz and the collateral damage of their own area attacks. once the speedsters are off their game, they can be tagged directly by the agile bruisers. rulk adds a power drain to make things more interesting.

Team flash win, no way are any of the brawlers tagging someone who's evacuated 500,000 people from a city, picking up 2 or 3 people at a time, to a location 30 miles away, in 0.0001 of a freakin' second, if the flashes' always performed to the best of their ability every time they were confronted with conflict, they would potentially be unbeatable.

Originally posted by 753
alright bada, I wont debate rule interpretration. they blanket the field with AoE attacks like thunderclaps and groundstomps to thwart the assumed instablitz and throw them off balance. the higher end bricks' damage soaks would let them tank the initial blitz and the collateral damage of their own area attacks. once the speedsters are off their game, they can be tagged directly by the agile bruisers. rulk adds a power drain to make things more interesting.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t577880.html

And stop picking on Carver. sneer

durhulk

Originally posted by 753
alright bada, I wont debate rule interpretration. they blanket the field with AoE attacks like thunderclaps and groundstomps to thwart the assumed instablitz and throw them off balance. the higher end bricks' damage soaks would let them tank the initial blitz and the collateral damage of their own area attacks. once the speedsters are off their game, they can be tagged directly by the agile bruisers. rulk adds a power drain to make things more interesting.

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
Team flash win, no way are any of the brawlers tagging someone who's evacuated 500,000 people from a city, picking up 2 or 3 people at a time, to a location 30 miles away, in 0.0001 of a freakin' second, if the flashes' always performed to the best of their ability every time they were confronted with conflict, they would potentially be unbeatable.

Originally posted by 753
that can be said for a lot of characters. most high heralds, in fact.

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
all the bruiser's would have to 'THINK' of doing all these attacks first, like I have said, the move faster than a thought enters the brain, I read in another forum someone calculated the speed of wally, tony stark could be at the south pole, and wally could be at the north pole, and wally could have gotten to tony, ko'd him before tony had even processed a single thought

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
that's exactly why they get tagged by slower character other wise what would be the point in the flash ending a fight before his opponent thought of a way to attack him?

The flashes have so many wtf options to win this fight that it's not even a fair battle.

Barry and wally both run at near light speed, the faster they run, there mass increases ala imp, say wally and barry both run at there opponents before they even thought of a way to attack, both running there fastest and hittin there hardest. There easily knocking a few of these out with a couple of imp's or one shotting them off the face on the planet, then they could vibrate every single molecule in the body and stick there hands into each opponents brain, turnin it to mush, all done in a nano second...... Easily done imo

so this is just a bait thread?

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
Barry and wally both run at near light speed, the faster they run, there mass increases ala imp, say wally and barry both run at there opponents before they even thought of a way to attack, both running there fastest and hittin there hardest. There easily knocking a few of these out with a couple of imp's or one shotting them off the face on the planet, then they could vibrate every single molecule in the body and stick there hands into each opponents brain, turnin it to mush, all done in a nano second...... Easily done imo

hows flash track record against doomsday alone to begin with? grundy?

But why does your tactic work? The bricks blanketing the field with AoE attacks? That's your strategy, not theirs. Also, as per the rules. both teams know basic information on the other meaning they're not going to try to slug it out with the top bricks, they would most likely try a different tactic to incapacitate them. The Brick team is at a disadvantage, no amount of basic information will help them move any faster than they're capable of.

thunderclaps and groundstomps are a much more standard tactic for the bricks, conceding flashes will blitz for real as soon as they realize what the'yre up against. AoE attacks make up for their lack of speed.

It's funny how they have to think off all these attacks, it's unreal how easy the flashes could win, and if it's a last resort I think they'd be spamming imp's

Originally posted by 753
thunderclaps and groundstomps are a much more standard tactic for the bricks, conceding flashes will blitz for real as soon as they realize what the'yre up against. AoE attacks make up for their lack of speed.

I understand the strategy, but disagree it would be effective. The flashes could dump each brick miles apart from each other, in the ocean, volcano, etc and pick them apart one by one before the bricks can react. They could speed steal the heavy hitters.

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
Barry and wally both run at near light speed, the faster they run, there mass increases ala imp, say wally and barry both run at there opponents before they even thought of a way to attack, both running there fastest and hittin there hardest. There easily knocking a few of these out with a couple of imp's or one shotting them off the face on the planet, then they could vibrate every single molecule in the body and stick there hands into each opponents brain, turnin it to mush, all done in a nano second...... Easily done imo

Originally posted by Sh3nG L0nG
I understand the strategy, but disagree it would be effective. The flashes could dump each brick miles apart from each other, in the ocean, volcano, etc and pick them apart one by one before the bricks can react. They could speed steal the heavy hitters.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Character Ruling Thread:Flash: Like mentioned about the Surfer above, Flash is a person, not a powerset. He needs to be argued as what he is and has done, rather than what someone would do in his place. As far as Flash's average goes, he is in general too fast for someone like Wolverine, but does not tend to just launch Infinite Mass Punches at the start of fights. It's about the average.

Fair enough, but I don't agree the strategy being suggested by 753 falls within thw guidelines, the bricks in question never start a fight with AoE attacks.