Originally posted by Sh3nG L0nGIt may or may not work. That's what should be debated. And I'm not trying to single people out. But there are way too many people arguing power set. And we (mods) understand that other boards focus on power set and people have their favorites and hated.
Fair enough, but I don't agree the strategy being suggested by 753 falls within thw guidelines, the bricks in question never start a fight with AoE attacks.
We're just trying to avoid any lowballing and stroking as much as possible. And also get eveybody on the same page, debate wise.
ok, i will argue that AoE attacks are still slow enough to be evaded by the speedsters. They could be used as a defensive attack but not one that can't be overcome by the flashes because of their reflexes and reaction speeds. let's also not forget these attacks will not only affect the flashes but they will affect their teammates as well so they might not be all that effective.
I also believe the flashes could win this fight by using their creativity. they will usually speed blitz opponents by disabling their means of attack before they even realize what's happened.
This is what gets me about high end speedsters. In comics they get tagged. But 99% of the time they're avoiding civilians, trying to save people and avoid property damage. The default battlefield on KMC is just a e,pty area where the combatants start a half mile/half kilometer apart.
So In my mind, team Flash would be able to take out the weakest of the brawlers. But they would be hard pressed to 1 shot a majority of the team.
And team Flash can't simply carry any of the brawlers out of the arena for a BFR, because they would BFR themselves in the process, regardless of how fast they return.
Team brawler has 3 hulks, DD, Abomination, Grundy, Colossus-naut which won't be easy to put down. Plus if the team can coordinate stomps and claps, team Flash will be hard pressed to get a win imo.
Is this an empty battlefield? If so then this battle would end a slug fest, meaning unless the flashes resort to exotic attacks, the best they can hope for is a stalemate. However, if it's a standard arena, I could see flashes using their surroundings to set traps or build something to incapacitate the heavy hitters with. They need less than a second to come up with something powerful,
Originally posted by Sh3nG L0nGIt's always an empty battlefield, unless stated otherwise.
Is this an empty battlefield? If so then this battle would end a slug fest, meaning unless the flashes resort to exotic attacks, the best they can hope for is a stalemate. However, if it's a standard arena, I could see flashes using their surroundings to set traps or build something to incapacitate the heavy hitters with. They need less than a second to come up with something powerful,
Okay, so the flashes have to act in character? Let's give them a boost otherwise they'll be running around saying 'too slow' for a couple of hours, the bruisers take central city hostage, and rigged the city with a couple of bombs, the population are all at the center of the city to be rescued IF they can beat the bruisers, they have 10 minutes to ko or kill or incapicitate (bfr) other wise the city will blow if a flash enters the city if a bruiser is still conscious
Originally posted by 753
of course it is. it's a moving wall of force. its like getting hit by a punch or a tk blast.
Nope. When the Flashes run at lightspeed the entire atmosphere along the great circle of their path is a huge "wall of force" moving at lightspeed towards them (in their frame of reference). And it doesn't affect them at all.
they would hit a wall of force when reaching c, because they are accelerating against the air molecules, which resist them with whatever energy they have (very little), but their aura that nullifies air resistance doesnt dig them tunnels through solid rock.
the thunderclap compresses air to the point where it behaves like solid matter pushed in a direction with overhelming force (a whole lot of energy). claiming they'd pass through it unphased is like claiming they'd move through a mountain hurled at their heads or the bruisers fists. it is just like a punch or a tk blast.
Originally posted by 753that's what I mean, and yes they would, not because of the speed force aura but they can vibrate their molecules to pass right through solid matter, its called qauntum tunnelling so yes, they would pass right through it
still not in character, but it doesnt matter here. you could just say the flashes are motivated and wed accept it.