Explosions at the Boston Marathon

Originally posted by Lestov16
So I guess it's official. Islamic extremism was their motivation.

I think it's probably a case of anti-social worldviews, a sense of alienation, and generally poor mental health that happened to manifest as Islamic Extremism, the way the two went about their business was very much against the grain of the traditional Islamist M.O., which leads me to think that they had little if any real contact with terrorist organizations.

So it was a time travelling Bob Dylan that did it?

Friend of Mine also said they looked similar.

They're charging this kid under military law? I know he committed terrorist acts, but he is a US citizen with no affiliations to international terror groups. He should be charged under civilian law. I heard they didn't even read him his Miranda rights.

Originally posted by Lestov16
They're charging this kid under military law? I know he committed terrorist acts, but he is a US citizen with no affiliations to international terror groups. He should be charged under civilian law. I heard they didn't even read him his Miranda rights.

Source(s)?

since, iirc, the 80s there have been provisions where, in the case of immediate danger, a suspect could be interrogated prior to being Mirandized, and it was still allowable in court.

The Obama DOJ, well before any of this Boston stuff, had already expanded this to include information that didn't only pertain to immediate threats, but to intelligence that would be impossible to obtain otherwise. This has been applied to the suspect in the Boston bombings as well, in that, they aren't only interrogating him about other bombs or the potential of other perpetrators about to attack the city, but about possible connections he and his family might have, etc.

Hadn't heard about him being tried as an enemy combatant, other than to say a bunch of Republicans had been pushing for it. Might set a bad precedence...

Originally posted by Robtard
Source(s)?

Glenn Greenwald talks about the situation and the Obama DOJ with regards to Miranda rights and terror suspects:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/20/boston-marathon-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-mirnada-rights

Facebook page for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and it looks like they all think he is innocent... 🤪

https://www.facebook.com/groups/DzhokharTsarnaev/

PS: Not sure if we can link to FB, apologies if this is not permitted.

to put that in perspective, though, the BTK Killer's wife and daughter had no idea there was anything even strange about him.

I head those two boys were idiots and couldnt have possibly done it. Tats my two cents..lol

As most people on here know, I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but apparently he might never be able to speak in his own defence due to a very fortunate 'injury to the throat'. What's next? He suddenly becomes paralysed? Suddenly develops locked in syndrome?

I would imagine that, when engaging in run n' gun fights with the police, it's highly possible that you might take an injury to the throat.

In this day and age, not being able to physically speak really doesn't mean a whole lot, imo. He could very easily just type out a testimony, do some sign-language, etc. Beating the shit out of him to prevent him from speaking seems like more effort than it's worth considering all the other alternative forms of communication he has at his disposal.

not to mention, groups like the ACLU are watching him like a hawk now

So its been going around facebook that Muslim Americans have only killed 33 people since 2001 while far-right groups have killed over 200. No particular study is cited but this information is credited to West Point's Combating Terrorism Center. All of their research happens to be available free to the public as PDFs and text files so I thought I'd go find out if they said that.

I can't find that particular claim supported anywhere but I did find an interesting bit in an article they wrote in 2010.

http://www.ctc.usma.edu/posts/the-growing-danger-from-radical-islamist-groups-in-the-united-states

"For a variety of factors, such as better integration into mainstream society, American Muslims have been more resistant to such messages."

and later

"As in every Western country, individuals who feel alienated and frustrated are more susceptible to radical ideologies."

A lot of people have been saying things like this since 9/11 and it's nice to know that it is something the US military's terrorism advisors are aware of. Makes me wonder if anti-Muslim hysteria is something that Jihadis aim for.

The FBI releases studies with similar numbers, however, when they talk about the threat posed from right-wing groups, they come under tremendous pressure to back off, because many Republicans actually pander to that extreme right (though I wouldn't say they encourage or endorse violence).

The pressure on the FBI is such that they currently only have a single agent focused on domestic right-wing terror threats.

TYT talks about it frequently (so maybe don't take that at face value), but I can't find a good specific link atm. I'll keep an eye out though

EDIT: Bingo!

http://prism-magazine.com/2012/08/when-violent-right-wing-extremism-is-ignored/

Originally posted by Oliver North
The FBI releases studies with similar numbers, however, when they talk about the threat posed from right-wing groups, they come under tremendous pressure to back off, because many Republicans actually pander to that extreme right (though I wouldn't say they encourage or endorse violence).

The pressure on the FBI is such that they currently only have a single agent focused on domestic right-wing terror threats.

TYT talks about it frequently (so maybe don't take that at face value), but I can't find a good specific link atm. I'll keep an eye out though

EDIT: Bingo!

http://prism-magazine.com/2012/08/when-violent-right-wing-extremism-is-ignored/

"Both Boston bombers where registered Democrat."

Actual line I read on FB.

Originally posted by Oliver North
The FBI releases studies with similar numbers, however, when they talk about the threat posed from right-wing groups, they come under tremendous pressure to back off, because many Republicans actually pander to that extreme right (though I wouldn't say they encourage or endorse violence).

The pressure on the FBI is such that they currently only have a single agent focused on domestic right-wing terror threats.

TYT talks about it frequently (so maybe don't take that at face value), but I can't find a good specific link atm. I'll keep an eye out though

EDIT: Bingo!

http://prism-magazine.com/2012/08/when-violent-right-wing-extremism-is-ignored/

Something very similar made its way to the public through West Point in this article.

http://www.ctc.usma.edu/posts/challengers-from-the-sidelines-understanding-americas-violent-far-right

After a bit of searching it turned out that Aljazeera was the source of the quote, citing that article and a report from Duke. The quote is, arguably, wrong but not misleading. Of the 254 killings by the far right since 2001 almost all of them are killings of specific people rather than mass murders. Of the 33 killings by Muslim-Americans not all of them were acts of religiously motivated violence and, again, most were not mass murders.

The suspect has been charged through the civilian court system and will not be treated as an enemy combatant. He is awake and answering questions via writing.

I actually see this as a fairly major victory for the rule of law, I didn't expect him to get a real trial.

My sister thinks that his eventual fate of "generic islamofascist who gets caught and locked away forever without mercy" was changed once he was revealed to be some 19-year old white kid.