The problem with that logic is that none of those species have exact population numbers. While the SW universe has millions to billions of people on each planet, and millions of soldiers as well as clones and seperatist droids. Each planet has it's own defense force, most of those have space defenses as well. It's all so much that team monster can't win.
Originally posted by juggerman
Agreed but very likely seeing as how the Star Wars universe has no clue these outsiders are preparing an assult.I'll agree there
Yes. I was exaggerating quite a bit on this one. But still look how far humans advanced in 200 years. Imagine what a super advanced civilization like these guys could do in 2,000.
Your assumption of great advancement in this time scape is out of place entirely. We see in the AVP films that the Preds have been coming to earth since long before the birth of Christ, and their technology has changed little since then. There's nothing to suggest that it would suddenly morph to an entirely new level thanks to some amazing discovery.
I cannot use this directly as it is not from films, but technology from The Old Republic of the Star Wars universe and for millennia before that is not vastly different from what you see at the time of the films.
As above, there's no reason to think the technology of the engineers would suddenly accelerate beyond what has already been developed in the way of galactic travel and genetic weaponry and manipulation.
Based on the given scenario, the Star Wars universe is the only group in this fight with multiple weapons capable of destroying entire worlds in a go, with powerful anti-ship cannons, and with shielding on their vehicles. They would wipe the floor with everyone else.
Lastly, lets just add that in the films the Aliens are nothing more that a violent, predatory lifeform; they do not possess long-range weaponry or tactical skills, nor do the have a means of or the ability to transport themselves across planets, let alone galaxies in an attempt to destroy a perceived enemy, so this is really two Predator planets and a vague number of Engineer homeworlds versus an entire galaxy of inhabited planetoids in the Star Wars pantheon.
This is a horrible, horrible match up.
Originally posted by Ascendancy
Your assumption of great advancement in this time scape is out of place entirely. We see in the AVP films that the Preds have been coming to earth since long before the birth of Christ, and their technology has changed little since then. There's nothing to suggest that it would suddenly morph to an entirely new level thanks to some amazing discovery.I cannot use this directly as it is not from films, but technology from The Old Republic of the Star Wars universe and for millennia before that is not vastly different from what you see at the time of the films.
As above, there's no reason to think the technology of the engineers would suddenly accelerate beyond what has already been developed in the way of galactic travel and genetic weaponry and manipulation.
Based on the given scenario, the Star Wars universe is the only group in this fight with multiple weapons capable of destroying entire worlds in a go, with powerful anti-ship cannons, and with shielding on their vehicles. They would wipe the floor with everyone else.
Lastly, lets just add that in the films the Aliens are nothing more that a violent, predatory lifeform; they do not possess long-range weaponry or tactical skills, nor do the have a means of or the ability to transport themselves across planets, let alone galaxies in an attempt to destroy a perceived enemy, so this is really two Predator planets and a vague number of Engineer homeworlds versus an entire galaxy of inhabited planetoids in the Star Wars pantheon.
This is a horrible, horrible match up.
That's a good point except we don't know the extent of their tech, just their weapons. They could use certain weapons for certain hunt out of respect for tradition or just for the challenge, like humans that catch catfish with their hands.
Yeah since that's in the EU i'd think it can't be used for this.
Well again we see on single ship that was not at all meant for warfare looking shitty. A good concept to think of imo is in The Dark Knight we see a helicopter taken out by two cables. Does that now mean all of our aircrafts can be so easily bested or that we don't have anything better suited to fight with? Imagine if an alien species had only that scene to deduce the human race's tech. They would think we were much worse off than we actually were.
What weapons can Star Wars use to wipe out a world? The only one i recall was the Death Star and iirc it was destroyed, meaning they no longer have it.
They can be farmed tho like in AVP. They can be ferried from planet to planet destroying entire populations and increasing their number by the billions in the process. Just about every living being on the planet would a host for more Xenos. Then the Preds or Engineers could finally unleash them upon the arimes of SW. There is no way the SW universe can win a ground war here as they might with other threats. As i said before the only hope they have in space battles and that is iffy.
I disagree. The match up very interesting.
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
I'd say that a hundred jedi would be more than enough to pilot a fleet of ships, right? Even if they're all piloting X-wings, that's still over kill. Shit...,one X-wing is more than enough needed to eradicate the entire brood left on lv-426. The star wars universe is simply far to overpowered here. Unless you can show me an instance where a xenomorph was able to pilot an intergalactic warship that has the handling and agility of a fighter jet which can fly from an inter planetary atmosphere to space, then there is no argument here.
Too bad that currently there is only one remaining Jedi in the universe. Luke
While the Xenomorphs lack intelligence the same cannot be said of the Engineers and the Predators. Spawning the Star Wars planets with face huggers would decimate these worlds. Especially given the fact they would have no prior knowledge of the attack. One single Predator can level the immediate area in combat if they are defeated and implore their self destruction sequence.
Originally posted by juggerman
That's a good point except we don't know the extent of their tech, just their weapons. They could use certain weapons for certain hunt out of respect for tradition or just for the challenge, like humans that catch catfish with their hands.Yeah since that's in the EU i'd think it can't be used for this.
Well again we see on single ship that was not at all meant for warfare looking shitty. A good concept to think of imo is in The Dark Knight we see a helicopter taken out by two cables. Does that now mean all of our aircrafts can be so easily bested or that we don't have anything better suited to fight with? Imagine if an alien species had only that scene to deduce the human race's tech. They would think we were much worse off than we actually were.
What weapons can Star Wars use to wipe out a world? The only one i recall was the Death Star and iirc it was destroyed, meaning they no longer have it.
They can be farmed tho like in AVP. They can be ferried from planet to planet destroying entire populations and increasing their number by the billions in the process. Just about every living being on the planet would a host for more Xenos. Then the Preds or Engineers could finally unleash them upon the arimes of SW. There is no way the SW universe can win a ground war here as they might with other threats. As i said before the only hope they have in space battles and that is iffy.
I disagree. The match up very interesting.
The problem is that you're speculating. I specifically stated that that one note I brought up isn't admissible since it comes via the EU. We can only go by what is shown in the films and in the films we know that the SW universe has an entire galaxy worth of warships. Not just the Empire and the Rebels, but additional worlds who remained outside of the main conflict.
The Empire built two Death Star's in a very short period of time, so no reason to think they couldn't manage it again. The Rebels only had knowledge of where to find it in order to act because they were given it. It would be more than difficult for the Engineers and Preds to locate the sites if they were their enemies.
Again, we can only go by films here. We have Predators who are shown to have a relatively small population on two homeworlds and ships that demonstrate no shielding. We have the Engineers who seem to exist in two different castes, neither of which showed demonstrable evidence of heavy weaponry on their ships.
Granted the Engineer abilities may have to be updated once the next film comes out, but there is nothing to suggest they have the capabilities to stand up to Galactic Empire or Rebel fighters, let alone Imperial Star Destroyers and Drednoughts.
Fact: Engineer ship taken out by ramming. Fact: Neither they nor the Preds have shown they have anything capable of taking on the SW universe fleets. Fact: Neither Enginners nor Preds have the numbers to go up against a number of habitable worlds with Billions in terms of population on many.
The Predators are the equivalent of the Mandolorians in the SW series: a strong, militaristic group, but only a drop in the bucket in terms of the big picture.
This battle is perhaps the equivalent of the Australian SAS and Britain vs the entirety of the rest of the world; just not going to end well for someone.
Originally posted by Ascendancy
The problem is that you're speculating. I specifically stated that that one note I brought up isn't admissible since it comes via the EU. We can only go by what is shown in the films and in the films we know that the SW universe has an entire galaxy worth of warships. Not just the Empire and the Rebels, but additional worlds who remained outside of the main conflict.The Empire built two Death Star's in a very short period of time, so no reason to think they couldn't manage it again. The Rebels only had knowledge of where to find it in order to act because they were given it. It would be more than difficult for the Engineers and Preds to locate the sites if they were their enemies.
Again, we can only go by films here. We have Predators who are shown to have a relatively small population on two homeworlds and ships that demonstrate no shielding. We have the Engineers who seem to exist in two different castes, neither of which showed demonstrable evidence of heavy weaponry on their ships.
Granted the Engineer abilities may have to be updated once the next film comes out, but there is nothing to suggest they have the capabilities to stand up to Galactic Empire or Rebel fighters, let alone Imperial Star Destroyers and Drednoughts.
Fact: Engineer ship taken out by ramming. Fact: Neither they nor the Preds have shown they have anything capable of taking on the SW universe fleets. Fact: Neither Enginners nor Preds have the numbers to go up against a number of habitable worlds with Billions in terms of population on many.
The Predators are the equivalent of the Mandolorians in the SW series: a strong, militaristic group, but only a drop in the bucket in terms of the big picture.
This battle is perhaps the equivalent of the Australian SAS and Britain vs the entirety of the rest of the world; just not going to end well for someone.
I know it's speculation. And all i did was agree with you, no need to get testy. The Empire was overthrown last we saw. Most current version of SW has the Empire in ruins and the Rebellion barely starting to rebuild. A tactile strike could wipe out all major threats fairly easily.
Yes they did but as i just stated the Empire is no longer in power and the Rebels/Republic would not build another world destroyer imo. That was a Dark Side move and the Dark Side was wiped out with Palps. Therefore the Death Star really shouldn't even be a thought.
When was it shown that Preds have a small population? What leads you to believe this? Cuz we only see a few of them? Or do you mean in regards to the entire SW universe?
And there's nothing to suggest that the research ship was the peak of their tech abilities.
Fact: Was not a ship meant for warfare. Fact: That's speculation seeing as how we've never seen a Pred or Engineer ship do any kind of battle. Fact: Xenos easily do. Plus like i said before Outer Rim worlds are all but ignored. They could easily raze many of them with little trouble
They aren't alone
In an all out "Hey you! We're enemies so let's duke it out!" type deal yeah they'd get destroyed. But with them doing much in secret before SW even knows whats going on they have a very good chance here.
Originally posted by juggerman
I know it's speculation. And all i did was agree with you, no need to get testy. The Empire was overthrown last we saw. Most current version of SW has the Empire in ruins and the Rebellion barely starting to rebuild. A tactile strike could wipe out all major threats fairly easily.Yes they did but as i just stated the Empire is no longer in power and the Rebels/Republic would not build another world destroyer imo. That was a Dark Side move and the Dark Side was wiped out with Palps. Therefore the Death Star really shouldn't even be a thought.
When was it shown that Preds have a small population? What leads you to believe this? Cuz we only see a few of them? Or do you mean in regards to the entire SW universe?
And there's nothing to suggest that the research ship was the peak of their tech abilities.
Fact: Was not a ship meant for warfare. Fact: That's speculation seeing as how we've never seen a Pred or Engineer ship do any kind of battle. Fact: Xenos easily do. Plus like i said before Outer Rim worlds are all but ignored. They could easily raze many of them with little trouble
They aren't alone
In an all out "Hey you! We're enemies so let's duke it out!" type deal yeah they'd get destroyed. But with them doing much in secret before SW even knows whats going on they have a very good chance here.
That's the point: we don't see any of that, we can only go by what's shown in the films, and per what the films show the Star Wars forces take this easily.
Originally posted by Ascendancy
That's the point: we don't see any of that, we can only go by what's shown in the films, and per what the films show the Star Wars forces take this easily.
We don't see any of what? I assume you mean their combat abilties in space. Fair enough but the Preds are a warrior race so i think it's safe to assume they are at least formidable in space battle. Plus as i said there is no ground answer Star Wars has for the Xenos.
Most of my points were left unanswered so I'll just assume those are parts you either agree with or have no answer for at the moment
Originally posted by the ninjak
Star Wars win unless the deeply under detailed OP supplies us with necessary facts.-Engineers don't have squat.
-Predators don't have the population.
-Alien can wreck havoc on planets but a Deathstar can cancel them out good.
Star Wars do not have the Death Star any more as it was destroyed
Originally posted by the ninjak
Just unleash a droid army amongst the alien forces.With force fields and phaser armaments they clear their way through xeno armies.
Jedi have problems with such battalians.
Weren't the majority of the droids destroyed after the Clone Wars? I doubt there are enough left to properly use as an army
Originally posted by Robtard
Juggerman,If you're going to insist each side only gets what it had and anything destroyed or killed is out for this fight, then SW stomps even harder.
Cos on screen, there's very few Predators, Engineers and Aliens.
The entire race of Predators and Engineers were not destroyed on screen like the things i mentioned tho. I assumed this would be most current versions and if that is the case then SW is post Galactic Civil War meaning no Death Star and hardly any droids.
I don't think this is unfair at all since they still hold a tremendous number advantage and, as pointed out earlier, their space abilities far out class the Alien trio.
If using the post Galactic Civil War universe is wrong please tell me why
Because you're saying, Star Wars can only have this many people and weapons and equipment.
Then you turn around and say, we don't know what numbers the Engineers and Predators had or all their space weapons and ships since it wasn't shown, but it's safe to assume they're awesome.
You can't try to limit one side to what was shown at one time, and then give the other side made up arguments.
Also you're trying to force the SW side to be Post-Rebellion which is when it was at it's weakest in the films. Even though the OP didn't specify and probably meant the SW universe as a whole.
Originally posted by KingD19
Because you're saying, Star Wars can only have this many people and weapons and equipment.Then you turn around and say, we don't know what numbers the Engineers and Predators had or all their space weapons and ships since it wasn't shown, but it's safe to assume they're awesome.
You can't try to limit one side to what was shown at one time, and then give the other side made up arguments.
Also you're trying to force the SW side to be Post-Rebellion which is when it was at it's weakest in the films. Even though the OP didn't specify and probably meant the SW universe as a whole.
Besides which even at its weakest we know that very, very little of the Empire's forces were even destroyed by the rebels at that point. Two death stars and a few Star Destroyers were nothing, not even a fraction of the total armada, not to mention the rebel forces not present and what other worlds command. Via episodes one through three we see how much other worlds can muster in the way of forces and how easily armies can be grown/manufactured.
The Preds and Engineers have little to draw on from what the films have shown. Like I said, until we learn more via the Prometheus sequel it looks like SW takes this more than handily.
Agreed. Two Star Destroyers is maybe 100,000 plus some change. And that's if they were fully stationed and not just housing skeleton crews.
We don't even see any Star Destroyers go down, and we know there's dozens of those.
So you take the millions of Imperials. The thousands of rebels, and all the mercs and criminals, the Hutts, all the planets with their own forces, etc... That's a huge force.