Education is forced creativity, and creativity cannot be forced, this is a paradox

Started by Dolos3 pages

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, so, lets assume for a moment that "education is forced creativity" is correct under our understanding of education an creativity. Obviously "creativity can not be forced" is bullshit. So...paradox solved?
B.F. Skinner claimed that our innermost desires are wholly subjective. Academia is operate, objective adaptation. Adaptation to the environment is submitting yourself to a role. Don't.Do.That.

Because there is a chance that the environment is a blindfold pulled over your eyes. Tell me, what is the difference between putting a kid in a classroom and shaping his behavior via reinforcement, and controlling his actions against his "undefinable" or "indeterminate" will?

I believe there's a chance that we can just make things happen. Each time I can demonstrate that kind of reshaping of my environment, maybe even to the direct objective defiance of the laws of nature, I discredit the reality we're living as being beyond our inner desires reach to reshape.

Originally posted by Dolos
B.F. Skinner claimed that our innermost desires are wholly subjective. Academia is operate, objective adaptation. Adaptation to the environment is submitting yourself to a role. Don't.Do.That.

Because there is a chance that the environment is a blindfold pulled over your eyes. Tell me, what is the difference between putting a kid in a classroom and shaping his behavior via reinforcement, and controlling his actions against his "undefinable" or "indeterminate" will?

I believe there's a chance that we can just make things happen. Each time I can demonstrate that kind of reshaping of my environment, maybe even to the direct objective defiance of the laws of nature, I discredit the reality we're living as being beyond our inner desires reach to reshape.

Look, mate, I don't even know where to start. Perhaps first of all "operate" is not an adjective, so right off the bat, I have no ****ing clue what you are trying to communicate with that sentence.

Further, I feel like one of your main issues is drawing false equivalencies (or inequivalencies in your case) based on vague (or perhaps not well understood) definitions of words. Like I suppose our innermost desires are by one definition always subjective, now just because the word objective can be the opposite of that it doesn't mean that the word in every context is that.

And then a lot of what you say just plain doesn't make sense in any context.

As I implied in an earlier thread, and I don't mean that in a small way, either you must be doing this for show (trolling perhaps), or you have actual, severe mental issues (paranoia, schizophrenia, I don't know) and should seek therapeutic help.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Look, mate, I don't even know where to start. Perhaps first of all "operate" is not an adjective, so right off the bat, I have no ****ing clue what you are trying to communicate with that sentence.

I make typos from time to time, the word is operant.

Further, I feel like one of your main issues is drawing false equivalencies (or inequivalencies in your case) based on vague (or perhaps not well understood) definitions of words. Like I suppose our innermost desires are by one definition always subjective, now just because the word objective can be the opposite of that it doesn't mean that the word in every context is that.

No, I use what I've seen, experienced, learned, etc as I please. If anything my problem is that, like everyone else, my very being is an attempted mimicry of the intrinsic and extrinsic existence that we all interact with. I don't think that existence is anything more than the outcome of the ability to choose. Choice implies consciousness, perception, intelligence, persona, identity, location, you name it.

And then a lot of what you say just plain doesn't make sense in any context.

Context, sense, any, in. Made up things without connection or meaning.

As I implied in an earlier thread, and I don't mean that in a small way, either you must be doing this for show (trolling perhaps), or you have actual, severe mental issues (paranoia, schizophrenia, I don't know) and should seek therapeutic help.
You know what it is called? Super-sanity, "super" sanity is almost like "in" sanity, but different, it's a whole other ballgame. A prognosis that, unfortunately, doesn't exist outside of Comic Books.

I've seen willpower projected into reality, I think that the reality we all experience is set-up and we're too integrated into our beliefs that no matter what, there's no denying it. If that's true, and to answer the OP, consciously decided daylight hallucinations (chronic divergent schizophrenia) induced euphoria could be just as convincing as real reality manipulation.

If the brain proves incapable of sustaining stable hallucinatory realities, even on a mundane "senseless" level on extreme self-hypnosis alone - I guess I'll have to rethink everything, and decide what I'm going to do when that can't happen. I'll probably start waiting for techno-progressive trans-humanism and buy them.

It seems to me like our intelligences are confined by physical existences that are themselves the product of adaptation to nature (subservience and ingrained acceptance of our limits).

In the way Skinner was using the term "subjective", he was actually mistaken, hence the "Cognitive Revolution"

Originally posted by Oliver North
In the way Skinner was using the term "subjective", he was actually mistaken, hence the "Cognitive Revolution"
Even if one's true soul desires were quantifiable, the fact is that it is trapped, altered, and imprisoned by the form (brain and other parts) it takes in this hell hole of physical laws.

It's almost as if a malicious intelligence shaped this cosmos to be how it is, to observe torment by remote viewing the human experience.

Originally posted by Dolos
mew mew mew..... meow meow...

purrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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oh I just want to scratch your adorable face!

You know what I think.

I think I will be warping reality by 2018: and I'll hypnotize the demons out of everyone else so they can diverge from one reality into 7 billion.

That is my prediction.

Originally posted by Dolos
You know what I think.

I think I will be warping reality by 2018: and I'll hypnotize the demons out of everyone else so they can diverge from one reality into 7 billion.

That is my prediction.

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and you have such a fluffy tummy

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There are are no pacts between lions and men.

Originally posted by Dolos
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dawwww, look at him play dress up! so adorable!

Note to self: When ON is upset with you, he'll respond to every post you make with a cat video from youtube.

na, I just figured if you are going to spam-troll literally every conversation on these boards with inanity, I should at least find a way to still enjoy coming here. Lord knows there isn't any actual discussion anymore...

besides, who could stay mad at such a cute little fur-ball!!!

Did you really just make a chart for me?

It's like you can't buy art in an art store. What's up with that?

Re: Education is forced creativity, and creativity cannot be forced, this is a paradox

Originally posted by Dolos
httpd.com/talks/ken_robinson_says_schools_kill_creativity.html]Ken Robinson.

Using creative words doesn't make the premise of the thread valid.