Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I always felt that while DC Earth was overtly more powerful than Marvel Earth, Marvel Earth was overtly possessed of greater minds.
Myth, IMO. Both universes/earths possess great minds. I know Marvel have the two top dogs in Reed and Doom, but DC, IMO has a deeper catalog of super geniuses. For example Beatbok's made a clear post on why someone like Pre-Crisis Ultra Humanite is DC's Doctor Doom more than Lex Luthor ever will and has feats to back it up.
BTW, since he's not been posting, here is Beatbok's post of Ultra
In a prep war Ultra should take this.With prep he has
Bested the All Star Squadron and Infinity Inc combined ( that's over 60 heroes with a lot more power than the Avengers). Eventually defeated only because two of the underlings he genetically altered to have super powers turned on him.
Taken on the JSA and Infinity Inc combined ( making them fight each other - defeated only because he considered the street levelers like huntress beneath his notice.
Defeated the JLA and JSA resulting in all heroes on Earth 2 being wiped from existence by his planned upsetting of the cosmic balance. Only defeated because of the unthinkable act of Earth 1 Cheetah saving her arch enemy Wonder Woman to get back at Ultra's betrayal.
Taken the power of the reality warping 5th dimension Djinn Thzz and taken over the world keeping Superman, and every major hero on the planet as his play things and puppets. Again only eventually loosing because another villain against all character changes sides
Add those and many more to the fact that he is a strong enough TPer to match and defeat Brain Wave Sr in psionic battle ( the same BW who in All Star Squadron 19 casually TP commands the entire JSA including Spectre and fate to do his wishes). Telepathically knock out several heroes while trapped in another dimension (Limbo) and tp communicate with himself across four decades.
WITH the physical power to man handle E-2 Superman, beat the crap out of Powergirl when enraged. As well as take the combined power of New Earth Superman, Martian Manhunter and Guy Gardner to take him on
He should take this quite easily. he can and has created minions who are more powerful than most of the Avengers
Originally posted by Golgo13
Myth, IMO. Both universes/earths possess great minds. I know Marvel have the two top dogs in Reed and Doom, but DC, IMO has a deeper catalog of super geniuses. For example Beatbok's made a clear post on why someone like Pre-Crisis Ultra Humanite is DC's Doctor Doom more than Lex Luthor ever will and has feats to back it up.
Not really a myth. They possess great minds on each Earth, true, but Marvel's geniuses, due to most of them being heroes, have the benefit of regular and consistent tech/science feats due to them appearing in their respective ongoing titles.
We're like two reboots, three if you count Infinite Crisis's subtle changes, since Pre-Crisis days. They hold even less weight now than they did ten years ago.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Not really a myth. They possess great minds on each Earth, true, but Marvel's geniuses, due to most of them being heroes, have the benefit of regular and consistent tech/science feats due to them appearing in their respective ongoing titles.We're like two reboots, three if you count Infinite Crisis's subtle changes, since Pre-Crisis days. They hold even less weight now than they did ten years ago.
Some of Marvel's geniuses have more feats, but considering the high ends and averages, guys like the Chief (Who has been in multiple ongoings), Ray Palmer, Vril Dox, and even Will Magnus can even out most of Marvel's geniuses.
Originally posted by Golgo13
DC's
1. Superman
2. Wally West/Barry
3. Mr. Majestic
4. Orion
5. Captain Marvel
6. Firestorm
7. Kyle Rayner/Hal
8. Weird
9. Dr. Fate
10. Sentinelvs
Marvel's
1. Thor/BRB
2. Surfer
3. Dr. Strange
4. Quasar/Nova
5. Sentry
6. Hulk
7. Black Bolt
8. Gladiator
9. Genis
10. Sersi
Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't agree.
BTW, here is a quick list of DC's geniuses. Many of them appearing in ongoings and frequent villains in the solo books.
Lex Luthor
Brainiac 5
Vril Dox
Dr. Sivana
TO Morrow
Professor IQ
Rip Hunter
Martin Stein
Ryan Choi
Ray Palmer
The Chief
Will Magnus
Toyman
Toyman 2
Emil
Steel
Cyborg
Hardware
Majestic
Adam Strange
Bruce Wayne
Mister Terrific
Professor Ivo
Calculator
Terry Sloan
Ted Kord
Re: Hero Edition: How does Marvel's Top 10 Heralds stack up against DC's?
Using the characters offered:
1. Which team is more versatile? Marvel
2. Which team is faster? DC
3. Which team has better energy output? Marvel
4. Which team stacks up better against cosmic threats? Marvel
5. Which team is smarter? Marvel
6. Which team has the better fighters? Draw
7. Which team is stronger? Draw
Re: Re: Hero Edition: How does Marvel's Top 10 Heralds stack up against DC's?
Originally posted by Horrificus
Using the characters offered:1. Which team is more versatile? Marvel
2. Which team is faster? DC
3. Which team has better energy output? Marvel
4. Which team stacks up better against cosmic threats? Marvel
5. Which team is smarter? Marvel
6. Which team has the better fighters? Draw
7. Which team is stronger? Draw
Why do you think team Marvel is more versatile?
Originally posted by Golgo13Put all them together and Doom missing part of his brain is still smarter.
BTW, here is a quick list of DC's geniuses. Many of them appearing in ongoings and frequent villains in the solo books.Lex Luthor
Brainiac 5
Vril Dox
Dr. Sivana
TO Morrow
Professor IQ
Rip Hunter
Martin Stein
Ryan Choi
Ray Palmer
The Chief
Will Magnus
Toyman
Toyman 2
Emil
Steel
Cyborg
Hardware
Majestic
Adam Strange
Bruce Wayne
Mister Terrific
Professor Ivo
Calculator
Terry Sloan
Ted Kord
Originally posted by Golgo13
BTW, here is a quick list of DC's geniuses. Many of them appearing in ongoings and frequent villains in the solo books.Lex Luthor
Brainiac 5
Vril Dox
Dr. Sivana
TO Morrow
Professor IQ
Rip Hunter
Martin Stein
Ryan Choi
Ray Palmer
The Chief
Will Magnus
Toyman
Toyman 2
Emil
Steel
Cyborg
Hardware
Majestic
Adam Strange
Bruce Wayne
Mister Terrific
Professor Ivo
Calculator
Terry Sloan
Ted Kord
Originally posted by Golgo13
You seriously need a new hobby. 😂