Originally posted by Horrificus
This is true.The Higher Level feats of both Odin and Thor, regardless of what low-ballers have been spouting, have pushed them out of the Skyfather and High-Herald brackets.
Sure, it's easy to find low showings for both. But, the higher-end showings are ridiculous. There is no denying that.
This is why they are such a pain to debate FOR. Especially Thor.
Anybody for new rules? 😄
no, odin affecting the entire multiverse as a result of his battle with set is outside skyfather status and pure PIS.
most of the people here put zeus at Odin's level just because he is a skyfather (yet his feats are far far below odin's). not just that but also Zeus beating hulk (in which hulk allowed himself to lose btw but people dont realize that) somehow puts Zeus at odin's level as well.
now i dont have anything against Zeus, if people could provide feats for him on odin's level i will be glad to accept them, but going by facts and feats (from what i know), he isn't.
Zeus is a Skyfather and got a bit of a push when Pak was handling him so hopefully he'll be more respected from here on forward. Still, he's no Odin. Even his other Skyfather level associates like Dormammu haven't been respected as much as the All-Father (The recent X-men issue is just ugh, feel bad for the flame head).
Odin isn't as high up the food chain as he originally was but he's aged a lot better than some of the other Skyfather level beings. So much so, you could probably make a new tier for Odin etc., one that exists between Skyfathers and the true Cosmics.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusInteresting note since you reminded me of it, but Mephisto has been wrecking Hell Lords in the X-Factor crossover.
Zeus is a Skyfather and got a bit of a push when Pak was handling him so hopefully he'll be more respected from here on forward. Still, he's no Odin. Even his other Skyfather level associates like Dormammu haven't been respected as much as the All-Father (The recent X-men issue is just ugh, feel bad for the flame head).Odin isn't as high up the food chain as he originally was but he's aged a lot better than some of the other Skyfather level beings. So much so, you could probably make a new tier for Odin etc., one that exists between Skyfathers and the true Cosmics.
And Dorm has always had shit feats mixed in with super high feats. His high feats make abstracts jealous, and his low feats make Rhino laugh.
lol at not as high up. His feats since he's come back are borderline retarded.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I'd like to know what makes you think that, as Fraction's take on the character certainly doesn't suggest that.
I think he's talking about how Odin was portrayed in Silver Age,where he was the cream of of the crop next to Galactus. Ans what Roy Thomas did to Odin when the Celestial were introduce basically screwed him, you know as I do Odin feats alone trumps majority of the cosmic hierarchy.
Marvel has been wanking sky father and above far to long!!
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Odin and Zeus are equals ... as are All true Sky-FatherS:
We see much more from Odin simply because
Asgard has always had far more play in stories.
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This is their only "confrontation" ... (mental kinda sizing up, they both walked away)
Here ... is proof that other Sky-Fathers are Odin's "counter-parts"
They all have the same power source ... which is ... Humanity.
Originally posted by Mr Master
===================Odin and Zeus are equals ... as are All true Sky-FatherS:
We see much more from Odin simply because
Asgard has always had far more play in stories.===================
This is their only "confrontation" ... (mental kinda sizing up, they both walked away)
Here ... is proof that other Sky-Fathers are Odin's "counter-parts"
They all have the same power source ... which is ... Humanity.
this wasn't a fight at all nor does it prove that zeus and odin are equals. in fact, Zeus has many low showings and never had any high showings (unless you could provide us with.
basically your argument here is that since Zeus is a skyfather then he should be equal to odin, but that's not how it works, tyrant is a herald of galactus, is he not? but he's much more powerful than other heralds, so just because he has the title doesn't mean that he's on their level.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Zeus has smashed the Avengers before including Thor.
One stalemate in which it's purely Thor's feat doesn't bring him down to herald level.Also lol at Hulk letting Zeus beat him.
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He wasn't trying to kill or even beat the shit out of Thor, either when Thor fought him.
Originally posted by operator616
they confronted each other but they didn't fight.not even close.
They're portrayed as equals nearly every time they're in the same story. This isn't opinion. The intent from virtually every writer from Stan Lee to Dan Jurgens to Kieron Gillen is that for all intents and purposes, Zeus and Odin are equals. I'd suggest getting over it.
Outside of the stories where they're compared or treated or stated as equals, Odin has the more numerous and better feats.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
👆He wasn't trying to kill or even beat the shit out of Thor, either when Thor fought him.
didn't seem that case to me, he clearly was fighting with some effort in both fights.
not that all this matters since Zeus doesn't even have close feats to Odin, he doesn't even have planet level feats. im not trying to undermine him or anything, im going by facts and what was shown on panel, if someone is willing to provide feats i'll gladly accept them.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
They're portrayed as equals nearly every time they're in the same story. This isn't opinion. The intent from virtually every writer from Stan Lee to Dan Jurgens to Kieron Gillen is that for all intents and purposes, Zeus and Odin are equals. I'd suggest getting over it.Outside of the stories where they're compared or treated or stated as equals, Odin has the more numerous and better feats.
completely true, they're treated as equals, yet for some weird reason, Zeus seems much weaker based on feats.
Originally posted by operator616
didn't seem that case to me, he clearly was fighting with some effort in both fights.not that all this matters since Zeus doesn't even have close feats to Odin, he doesn't even have planet level feats. im not trying to undermine him or anything, im going by facts and what was shown on panel, if someone is willing to provide feats i'll gladly accept them.
He was testing Thor. If he wanted to maim or kill Thor, he could have.
By fact and on panel evidence, Zeus is treated as an equal to Odin and has been for decades and by virtually every writer who ever penned either character. You can throw all that out and shout "feats!" if you like, but it wouldn't make sense.
