Originally posted by Branlor Swift
http://i39.tinypic.com/2116o14.jpgIt was literally just a husk powered by what would be seen as herald level power from Galactus. There's no reason it would be weaker.
Thor #264 or #265 Loki retrieves the Destroyer and comments that he would restore it to it's full former glory.
Yeah in #265 he states "...and transported him once more back to the realm eternal where I restored him to the very peak of his power then held him in readiness until such time as he might be needed."
I personally don't think Galactus would make the DA weaker than normal, but I haven't read the F4 issues in a long while.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah in #265 he states "...and transported him once more back to the realm eternal where I restored him to the very peak of his power then held him in readiness until such time as he might be needed."I personally don't think Galactus would make the DA weaker than normal, but I haven't read the F4 issues in a long while.
Yeah sounds about right. I don't remember it going into detail but Balder is used a host and the Destroyer fights Thor in a pretty epic battle.
Same, I don't even remember if it came off as weaker than normal but Loki's explanation pointed that way so that's what I'm going with.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Probably just sour that it wasn't under Asgard controlPlus, it literally had no power at all, as it was just a husk unless Galactus was actively controlling it. It makes no sense that it changed in power level.
Thing just had a high feat, that's it.
That's not what Loki implied. And it was probably mentioned to explain it's weaker showing more than anything tbh, so I'm going to go with it.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Probably just sour that it wasn't under Asgard controlPlus, it literally had no power at all, as it was just a husk unless Galactus was actively controlling it. It makes no sense that it changed in power level.
Thing just had a high feat, that's it.
I'd imagine Galactus used the Destroyer Armor at its normal power levels and Thing slapping it around is a crazy feat for Thing and a low showing for the Armor. At least if that's what happened. I don't remember the specifics of the F4 issue.
I can live with that. I honestly can't think of many low showings for the Armor anyway and that one is quickly obliterated in favor for its overwhelming history.
I don't even know why we have to accept any low showing just because it negatively reflects on Galactus. Loki directly said that he would restore the armor once again to it's peak, which pretty much suggests the Herald was a poor man's version.
My no-prize answer that without a true host, it wasn't firing on all cylinders.
Anyways, bed time, got work blah.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusIt makes no sense though. It implies Galactus who has the greatest tech in the universe lowered its base power as a husk, when his only muddying with the Destroyer was empowering it when he wanted with herald level life force/power cosmic.
That's not what Loki implied. And it was probably mentioned to explain it's weaker showing more than anything tbh, so I'm going to go with it.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankIt was just a low showing for the armor/high showing for Thing. Though all Thing managed to do was take some shots...
I'd imagine Galactus used the Destroyer Armor at its normal power levels and Thing slapping it around is a crazy feat for Thing and a low showing for the Armor. At least if that's what happened. I don't remember the specifics of the F4 issue.I can live with that. I honestly can't think of many low showings for the Armor anyway and that one is quickly obliterated in favor for its overwhelming history.
I can understand not liking the feat, but I can't understand how it got weaker since it would have been the same as the armor just standing around Asgard not being used.
Unless the armor gets weaker outside of Asgard...
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusIt doesn't reflect on Galactus at all.
I don't even know why we have to accept any low showing just because it negatively reflects on Galactus. Loki directly said that he would restore the armor once again to it's peak, which pretty much suggests the Herald was a poor man's version.My no-prize answer that without a true host, it wasn't firing on all cylinders.
Anyways, bed time, got work blah.
The host part makes sense, but it was just a husk.
Bro, it looked weaker than usual. Loki clearly implied that it was weaker than usual and said he'd restore it to it's former glory. Then it faced Thor and performed at the level you expect.
Just write it off as comic bullshit and move on. Maybe a portion of even Galactus' life force is no substitute for a true soul, I don't know, whatever, who cares.
Accept it and move on like all of Mindset's victims. Anyways I'm going to sleep, goodnight nerds.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
It was just a low showing for the armor/high showing for Thing. Though all Thing managed to do was take some shots...I can understand not liking the feat, but I can't understand how it got weaker since it would have been the same as the armor just standing around Asgard not being used.
Unless the armor gets weaker outside of Asgard...
Ah, okay. I know the fight is somewhere in the DA's respect thread, but I'm lazy atm.
I personally don't think the DA was made weaker by Galactus (seems counter productive as he "recruited" the armor because of its power and lack of morals) in intent, but as far as the execution of the story, it seemed that way due to how Thing fared against it.
Maybe Wein (the writer/editor for the Thor issue where Loki takes the armor back) felt that he needed to have Loki say he's going to restore its power to save face for the low showing for the armor in F4.
In any case, I'm cool with the feat either way you slice it as it doesn't really effect the armor's standing at all as a whole.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusShut up
Bro, it looked weaker than usual. Loki clearly implied that it was weaker than usual and said he'd restore it to it's former glory. Then it faced Thor and performed at the level you expect.Just write it off as comic bullshit and move on. Maybe a portion of even Galactus' life force is no substitute for a true soul, I don't know, whatever, who cares.
Accept it and move on like all of Mindset's victims. Anyways I'm going to sleep, goodnight nerds.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankThing was only hit 4 times by the Destroyer with physical attacks. Two were charges.
Ah, okay. I know the fight is somewhere in the DA's respect thread, but I'm lazy atm.I personally don't think the DA was made weaker by Galactus (seems counter productive as he "recruited" the armor because of its power and lack of morals) in intent, but as far as the execution of the story, it seemed that way due to how Thing fared against it.
Maybe Wein (the writer/editor for the Thor issue where Loki takes the armor back) felt that he needed to have Loki say he's going to restore its power to save face for the low showing for the armor in F4.
In any case, I'm cool with the feat either way you slice it as it doesn't really effect the armor's standing at all as a whole.
Which doesn't make sense in that the Destroyer was well, the Destroyer, and that it was powered by like herald level power to boot. So Thing should have been shredded even with those few hits. Meh.
The only way it makes sense that the Destroyer was weakened is that it gets weaker outside of Asgard since no tinkering was done at all on it, and I'm sure no one wants to take that route... except maybe H1.
It was just a high feat/low feat is all.
I just read that Thing vs. Destroyer comic recently. Basically the facts are:
- Thing was actually without powers, but wearing the suit of power armor Reed made to replicate his powers, so he was actually weaker than normal by a bit
- The Destroyer had already done its job of locating Counter-Earth for Galactus and didn't even seem to care about fighting the Thing, and was basically just letting Ben smack him around since it's not like Ben could actually hurt him.
- Halfway through the fight Galactus reabsorbed the small amount of power he had put into the Destroyer and that caused it to collapse, making Thing think he had beaten it.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If the Destroyer can cut through Mjolnir, chances are it can cut through Adamantium.Enchanted Uru was even able to "upgrade" Captain America's shield.
I still want to see proof of primary adamantium being destroyed by physical force.
And just because enchanted uru upgrades something doesn't mean anything. It could just change its properties vs mystical means or have any other alternate additional effects. It doesn't mean it's more durable. How can you upgrade indestructible?
Originally posted by OdekahnNuul destroyed adamantium
I still want to see proof of primary adamantium being destroyed by physical force.And just because enchanted uru upgrades something doesn't mean anything. It could just change its properties vs mystical means or have any other alternate additional effects. It doesn't mean it's more durable. How can you upgrade indestructible?
Uru on its own has been carved by Thor's own hands. It's the enchantment that gives Uru its durability.
Do we see adamantium as so far above Thor's hammer that a Destroyer blast wouldn't effect it? I don't see why
