in the hulk fight he chocked him to the point hulk couldn't stand and was forced to set there and listen to Apocalypse lecture him about how inferior hulk was to him and should be lucky to even be chosen most the time hulk would have attacked once he was let go but here he just sat there and listened there is a reason he was hurt more when apocalypse did this then against almost anyone else he ever fought and it doesn't matter if that thor was done by a different writer because it's all part of cannon and chronologically it was the same thor.
Originally posted by "Id"
The problem is the recent push in Marvel for Apocalypse to raise his stock as a team threat.Ever since Messiah War, with the revelation that victories over him being temporary wins over a weakened Apocalypse raises questions. If this is Poccy who can walk down Exodus, or Stryfe. Than the Martian has his plate full here.
Indeed. In fact the only time a non-weakened Apocalypse was defeated was by Cyclops on the moon. And that was Scott channeling the power of the entire Summers line (including Hyperstorm, among others).