Originally posted by DamborgsonMultiple references to Thor tapping berserker rage were made during that issue, therefore the writer's intention was made clear.
He didn't snap out of it during the fight, he did calm down after all was said and done though. Which is impossible in Warriors Madness. According to Odin anyway. The whole thing is ambiguous since I'm not unaware of what the intention of the Thor vs Maestro fight probably was.
Originally posted by carver9
What was you expecting Thor to do with the strength increase from the Warrior madness, bench mountains? I don't even think that showing should be used against Thor since Hulk was also in a berserk state (which increase his strength as well). On panel, it was clearly depicted that he was in WM mode but Hulk was also furious which could be the reason he was still able to match and exceed Thor. Good showing for both and again, that doesn't hold precedence over this fight.
No. I expected him to actually show a strength increase. Did he do anything in that fight that he hadn't done before? That was actually a very low end Thor looking at the fight seeing as how he was visibly affected by cold air and water.
The symptoms still weren't there though.
Originally posted by Galan007
Multiple references to Thor tapping berserker rage were made during that issue, therefore the writer's intention was made clear.
He failed to portray it regardless of his intention though.
He certainly did not start the fight in "warrior madness" as one has to be really enraged enough to enter it. The only real time it was mentioned was towards the end where Hulk's strongest blow throughout the whole fight only registered as an inconvenience to Thor. It's hard to call that true wm since Odin himself stated that there is no return from such a state. He was probably on the cusp, but not quite there.
Originally posted by DamborgsonAll the writer had to do is portray Thor as a mindless brute-- and he did that quite well, actually. He also used sufficient narration in conjunction with said portrayal.
He failed to portray it regardless of his intention though.
Odin's ambiguous comment that berserker rage is somehow permanent(I'm pretty sure that isn't what he said, btw) doesn't supersede a [more recent] entire battle from another comic.
Originally posted by Galan007
All the writer had to do is portray Thor as a mindless brute-- and he did that quite well, actually. He also used sufficient narration in conjunction with said portrayal.Odin's ambiguous comment that berserker rage is somehow permanent(I'm pretty sure that isn't what he said, btw) doesn't supersede a [more recent] entire battle from another comic.
Being a mindless brute and calling it warriors madness is now the same thing? WM isn't something that can be snapped out of, and if he did regain composure then it wasn't the real deal. regardless of what he'd have liked, since WM was already established with its effects.
He said he couldn't cure it to be more specific. He was moments away from killing Thor before he realized it wasn't WM.
I don't have that scan, (rage does I know) but here's Moondragon confirming it
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/35308/2942145-warlock_chronicles8_02.jpg
Originally posted by Damborgson
No. I expected him to actually show a strength increase. Did he do anything in that fight that he hadn't done before? That was actually a very low end Thor looking at the fight seeing as how he was visibly affected by cold air and water.The symptoms still weren't there though.
He failed to portray it regardless of his intention though.
And again, what should he have done IYO to prove he was in WM? What were you expecting is what I am asking.
Different writers have penned different descriptions of Warrior's Madness and what it entails. In some cases, it's a state of mind that Thor can willingly go to (or be pushed in). In another, it was treated like a mental disease of sorts that, iirc, could spread to other Asgardians (which was why it was a big deal). In most of those, however, Thor doesn't really exhibit anything close to a amp and he pretty much sticks to melee attacks and hammer tosses with an occasional lightning bolt. Not that any of those things suck considering what he's done with those attacks, but no, he's not going to be a very intelligent fighter.
Superman would probably win, but Thor's ferocity would likely send him for a loop.
Originally posted by Spire
Anyway thor was most certainly in "warrior madness" against merged hulk in IH 440. It can't even be argued against.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsThor48.jpg
It most certainly wasn't a 10x amp.
