Originally posted by SevenShackles
On that list? fate.
Your list is lacking tbh.
Those are my top 3 for the moment. It's not something you have to use. I'd like to see some reasons, instead of just naming off characters. Both Constantine and Fate have had similar amount of knowledge in all things magic, thouigh.
Originally posted by Golgo13
Those are my top 3 for the moment. It's not something you have to use. I'd like to see some reasons, instead of just naming off characters. Both Constantine and Fate have had similar amount of knowledge in all things magic, thouigh.
they have existed before the actual Multiverse and possibly magic.
The way I see it, Constantine ( at least classic not fully around Nu52 though i am getting JL Dark just behind) is more knowledgeable on the "rules of the universe" than magic itself. It's not that he has the mystic answer to everything ( at least not in Hell Blazer) it's that he knows the rules these guy's have to play by and uses their won rules to tie them up. He plays the con to get them to stick their proverbial heads in the noose of their own rules so they have to play the game his way.
As such I wouldn't place him as anywhere near the "most knowledgeable in magic on any list. Kick ass character who can take almost anyone to town but his knowledge is certainly limited. The proof of this was in the trenchcoat Brigade. He blustered and Bluffed but ALL the others ( Occult, Mr E, and Phantom Stranger) had greater knowledge in magic than him.
In DCU I'd say the most Knowledgeable pre Flashpoint was the Phantom Stranger. He was the one who always seemed to be able to explain the intricacies of magic to others. He always demonstrated a greater knowledge of the overall plan too. Which sort of fit's with the inference that eh was the agent of the Presences Hope like Spectre was fro vengeance, that he was intended to be there in every man's darkest hour to help them make the hard choice but never influence them.
Honestly Fate is also not what I would call the most knowledgeable in DCU. I'm a Dr Fate fan (boy) but really there are far too many instances of him just not getting the whole picture or having the right way. Hell even Nabu was shown to be short in that dept a few times. it was shown during the Straus Run ( as Fate) that Nabu's new life as a lowly mortal in Kent's orginal body was opening his eyes to things he had previously been denied because of his arrogance. he became aware of the greater plan etc etc.
The same happened to Shat-Ru ( another Lord of order) to a degree in Inza run as Fate. Mordru was easily more knowledgeable than both these two in magic and really he's not that OP. He started out being able to be taken down by Lady Amethyst in his own place of Power. That was back when he first assumed a mortal gaze, the thing was unlike Nabu and others who did so he didn't just put himself in the body of a mortal he also absorbed the soul essence of the being he occupied. So where they became limited by their mortal form he was not. He was constantly able to absorb and grow in power and use more power. He slowly absorbed the power of many he killed like Lords of Order and Chaos. BY the 30th century he had absorbed Sorcerers world and all the magic in the universe ( almost). I would say that makes him a little more knowledgeable than either Fate or Constantine. He's powerful because he's knowledgeable not the other way around and in marvel that would be the Ancient one.