Originally posted by IgnizThe Hulk?!.............are you dure that Bendis and Carver9 are not one and the same?????..................hahahahahahahahahaha.
I did say Bendis.The guy is known for ignoring character histories.Most likely Superman will be given a jobber treatment in the Marvel Universe.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I can see some writers using him well. It's editorial you'd have to worry about, imo.Considering the buzz such an acquisition would cause, I'd doubt Marvel would job him out or bury his character out of pettiness instead of trying to market the hell out of the guy and rake in money.
I know I'd trust Mark Waid; but the Marvel "style" just isn't conducive to Superman, imo.
That, and given Joe Q's opinions of the character, I can't see them using him well, tbh.
Eh, I think you guys aren't giving Marvel enough credit. I have no doubt they'd do some weird stuff, but they wouldn't wreck his character completely when they know they can make bank off the guy as is. There are some writers I definitely wouldn't want handling him, but considering Bendis isn't the main guy in Marvel anymore and Quesada isn't the editor-in-chief, he'd be respected more often than not.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Eh, I think you guys aren't giving Marvel enough credit. I have no doubt they'd do some weird stuff, but they wouldn't wreck his character completely when they know they can make bank off the guy as is. There are some writers I definitely wouldn't want handling him, but considering Bendis isn't the main guy in Marvel anymore and Quesada isn't the editor-in-chief, he'd be respected more often than not.
Quesada's not the boss anymore?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
No, Axel Alonso is.
Ah; that's something I guess.
I'd still wonder, though, about how Superman would fit in to the world. I mean, do you really think he'd have the same status in Marvel as he does in DC? While I think that Marvel does plenty of things better than DC and vice versa, earth-based solo herald books really aren't one of them.
Not to mention the inherent cynicism that most Marvel citizens seem to have. If Marvel wanted to make Superman work, they'd have to make some massive changes imo, and I don't see that happening.
Originally posted by TheHulk
Lol how long did it took you to figure that out?
Quesada's a ****, so I try to avoid reading about him as much as possible.
The biggest issue I see would be the fact that Marvel really doesn't have a Superman shaped hole in its roster. As a character, they have people that represent the things he stands for, in broader terms. They have numerous equally powerful characters, and even direct clones.
There would just be no stories to write, save stuff that seemed like it was ripped off of Captain America or fan service of having him fight their favorite character in cannon.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Ah; that's something I guess.I'd still wonder, though, about how Superman would fit in to the world. I mean, do you really think he'd have the same status in Marvel as he does in DC? While I think that Marvel does plenty of things better than DC and vice versa, earth-based solo herald books really aren't one of them.
Not to mention the inherent cynicism that most Marvel citizens seem to have. If Marvel wanted to make Superman work, they'd have to make some massive changes imo, and I don't see that happening.
I think he would, yeah. I can't see them jobbing him out in power or making him anything less than a staple of the Marvel Universe.
I think he'd inherently be the same guy, but he'd basically have to help recapture the public's trust and faith in goodness. To that end, I think Marvel would put over the "never ending battle" aspect of Superman a lot; he would never quite inspire the populace to the point that he did in DC, but he'd never stop trying. And he'd still be making a difference.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I think he would, yeah. I can't see them jobbing him out in power or making him anything less than a staple of the Marvel Universe.I think he'd inherently be the same guy, but he'd basically have to help recapture the public's trust and faith in goodness. To that end, I think Marvel would put over the "never ending battle" aspect of Superman a lot; he would never quite inspire the populace to the point that he did in DC, but he'd never stop trying. And he'd still be making a difference.
I think you just proved my point, though, that he wouldn't be as well represented in Marvel as he is in DC. 😛
Originally posted by -Pr-
I think you just proved my point, though, that he wouldn't be as well represented in Marvel as he is in DC. 😛
Fair enough.
But ultimately, I think he, the character, wouldn't be portrayed as anything less than one of the most powerful beings on the planet as well as one of the inherently purest of heart, noble, heroic dudes around. I think the real stark difference would be the public reception of him.
In DC, before too terribly long, the public generally trusts Superman (they have their moments of doubt, but they're all the more hopeful and optimistic). In Marvel, I think he would inspire them, but superhuman paranoia and distrust of heroes is more prevalent and Superman would likely be working twice as hard to prove he's a good guy, which is sort of the theme (or one of them) that JLA/Avengers was trying to hit on in comparison to both universes.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Fair enough.But ultimately, I think he, the character, wouldn't be portrayed as anything less than one of the most powerful beings on the planet as well as one of the inherently purest of heart, noble, heroic dudes around. I think the real stark difference would be the public reception of him.
In DC, before too terribly long, the public generally trusts Superman (they have their moments of doubt, but they're all the more hopeful and optimistic). In Marvel, I think he would inspire them, but superhuman paranoia and distrust of heroes is more prevalent and Superman would likely be working twice as hard to prove he's a good guy, which is sort of the theme (or one of them) that JLA/Avengers was trying to hit on in comparison to both universes.
That's fair enough.
I do think Superman would also lose an element of how "special" he is, in terms of his central role in things. Marvel wouldn't make Superman the "go to guy" to the extent DC does.
At least, I don't think they would.
Originally posted by -Pr-
That's fair enough.I do think Superman would also lose an element of how "special" he is, in terms of his central role in things. Marvel wouldn't make Superman the "go to guy" to the extent DC does.
At least, I don't think they would.
I think he'd be treated as more of an outsider than he already is, but his initial arc introducing him to the Marvel U would be nothing less than a ginarmous arc giving love to the guy. After he was "settled in", I could see him quickly becoming a staple of the Marvel U.
Marvel's never really had a single "go to guy" (It's always felt like a toss up between Mr. Fantastic, Captain America, whichever X-Men team roster they're pushing at the moment, Doctor Strange, and Thor, imo depending on the threat type and scale) but Superman would always be involved when it came to major threats, imo.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I think he'd be treated as more of an outsider than he already is, but his initial arc introducing him to the Marvel U would be nothing less than a ginarmous arc giving love to the guy. After he was "settled in", I could see him quickly becoming a staple of the Marvel U.Marvel's never really had a single "go to guy" (It's always felt like a toss up between Mr. Fantastic, Captain America, Doctor Strange, and Thor, imo depending on the threat type and scale) but Superman would always be involved when it came to major threats, imo.
And that would be fine. I just don't think he'd shine as much in Marvel as he can (and does) at DC.
I couldn't see myself enjoying the comics knowing what i'd be missing out on if they hadn't bought the rights.
Originally posted by -Pr-
And that would be fine. I just don't think he'd shine as much in Marvel as he can (and does) at DC.I couldn't see myself enjoying the comics knowing what i'd be missing out on if they hadn't bought the rights.
Yeah, true.
Given the choice, I'd definitely prefer he stay at DC forever.