How well would Apocalypse do in on DC earth

In some of them he already has. There are variations of AoA out there (AoA What Ifs) which are alternate universes/timelines (like the universe Deadpool jumped to in Cable/Deadpool), as well as the Cable/Stryfe native he had conquered. I think the confusion comes from the fact he rules alternate futures when most of the storytelling is done from the mainstream current.

I just find the whole "Apocalypse hasn't accomplished anything/Apocalypse always loses" argument hollow and frustrating because it seems to overlook the caveat that his conquest of Earth has always been depicted as being in the future, and that is due to certain benchmarks needing to be met before he enacts his takeover of a world where mutants are a majority of the world's population. Patient stewardship of evolution is his central character theme.

I'm trying to figure out who Apocalypse lost to for people to lowball him the way they do? Can someone answer this for me. I'm referring to 616 Apocalypse.

He would fail. Can not see him defeating the glc, jla, or even jsa. However, I'm sure he can score a few wins here and there with low teirs

The JLA together would defeat him easily enough. Anyone who tries to play hero and go one on one will get wrecked though.

despite the heavily powered heroes in DC I'm starting to feel Apoc might do better in their hands.

Yeah. I have more faith in DC's writers in recent times.

Really depends, imo.

If he just arrived on the scene and tried that Darwinism shit, he'd get beat up. But if he was retroactively inserted in canon from ancient times, he'd have a pretty big advantage, especially in the Pre-New 52 considering the age of heroes has only just started.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Really depends, imo.

If he just arrived on the scene and tried that Darwinism shit, he'd get beat up. But if he was retroactively inserted in canon from ancient times, he'd have a pretty big advantage, especially in the Pre-New 52 considering the age of heroes has only just started.

Originally posted by SevenShackles
despite the heavily powered heroes in DC I'm starting to feel Apoc might do better in their hands.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Yeah. I have more faith in DC's writers in recent times.

I think it'll be a mixed bag. Writers from both companies are being shuffled around from book to book so fast that developing a sustained, cohesive narrative for a character like Apoc would be difficult imo.

Also, DC's metahuman hasn't been featured conceptually the way that Marvel's has. So that plays a role in how fish lips would be portrayed as well.

man, no love for Holocaust.

Sinister/Holocaust/Apoc really only lack speed for them to be a legit threat to most JLA rosters. IF he used Dark Beast and Sinister well enough for prep, I could see him + his team causing some real trouble. It'd be a different role for apoc though, because he isn't necessarily strong enough to fight the higher tier of DC Earth heroes outright, so he would have to be totally in the shadows, whereas he normally isn't so subtle.

EDIT: actually, it could totally work. Now Apoc is forced to become the strongest in order to survive.

I don't think Apocalypse would have an issue with offensive output against the big guns in DC. And in a book speed won't be an issue either since the precedent of characters without super speed combating characters with it is already established. I actually think he'd be better off in DC since he'd be written as a JL rogue.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
I don't think Apocalypse would have an issue with offensive output against the big guns in DC. And in a book speed won't be an issue either since the precedent of characters without super speed combating characters with it is already established.

its also the easiest thing for a writer to upgrade. *poof* now Apoc's celestial tech allows him to tag Flash.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
I actually think he'd be better off in DC since he'd be written as a JL rogue.

I'm way more partial to the X-Men, so I'd rather he get treated with respect there, but it does have potential.

It would have been better if I made his team have a teleporter to get Apocs agents in and out without much detection. I think after say a year the attack Batman first maybe taking some of his villains and increasing their abilities, Imagine Joker, Bane, and a few other upgraded by Sinister giving them killer instinct against Batman.

Originally posted by Oliver North
its also the easiest thing for a writer to upgrade. *poof* now Apoc's celestial tech allows him to tag Flash.

I'm way more partial to the X-Men, so I'd rather he get treated with respect there, but it does have potential.

if the x-men weren't written like shit nowadays, i'd like to see apocalypse back to his x-factor ways.

Originally posted by -Pr-
if the x-men weren't written like shit nowadays, i'd like to see apocalypse back to his x-factor ways.

I'm so disappointed with Marvel these days. The Spider-Ock has been totally engaging, but ya, save a great title here or there (original Uncanny X-Force) I just don't get what Marvel is doing with mutants, and I suspect neither do they. So many of the characters scream "wasted potential". [also, after reading the ownage thread, I'm particularly sore about Spiral being useless now... Gaiman on GotG is my only glimmer of hope]

I've never read DC before seriously, but the nU seems more and more an appealing point to jump in.

Originally posted by Oliver North
I'm so disappointed with Marvel these days. The Spider-Ock has been totally engaging, but ya, save a great title here or there (original Uncanny X-Force) I just don't get what Marvel is doing with mutants, and I suspect neither do they. So many of the characters scream "wasted potential". [also, after reading the ownage thread, I'm particularly sore about Spiral being useless now... Gaiman on GotG is my only glimmer of hope]

I've never read DC before seriously, but the nU seems more and more an appealing point to jump in.

I started reading comics in the mid to late eighties. I was a Marvel kid from then until 2004 when, after becoming so disappointed with Marvel, I started giving DC a chance. I almost exclusively read DC now.

I'd pay real money to have the likes of X-Men back to the quality they used to be.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I started reading comics in the mid to late eighties. I was a Marvel kid from then until 2004 when, after becoming so disappointed with Marvel, I started giving DC a chance. I almost exclusively read DC now.

are they done with all the rebooting stuff now?

Anything from the like... 52/Crisis stories I had seen made too many references to prior cannon that I didn't really appreciate a lot of it. Its not like, going to be another reboot crisis in 6 months?

Actually, this is why I loved all-star superman, along with it being otherwise amazing I suppose

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'd pay real money to have the likes of X-Men back to the quality they used to be.

amen brother.

Originally posted by Oliver North
I'm so disappointed with Marvel these days. The Spider-Ock has been totally engaging, but ya, save a great title here or there (original Uncanny X-Force) I just don't get what Marvel is doing with mutants, and I suspect neither do they. So many of the characters scream "wasted potential". [also, after reading the ownage thread, I'm particularly sore about Spiral being useless now... Gaiman on GotG is my only glimmer of hope]

I've never read DC before seriously, but the nU seems more and more an appealing point to jump in.

wow...u should dc is awesome

Originally posted by Oliver North
are they done with all the rebooting stuff now?

Anything from the like... 52/Crisis stories I had seen made too many references to prior cannon that I didn't really appreciate a lot of it. Its not like, going to be another reboot crisis in 6 months?

Actually, this is why I loved all-star superman, along with it being otherwise amazing I suppose

amen brother.

The crises (Infinite and Final) weren't hard reboots; this one is more like COIE, in that for a lot of the characters, they're starting again. Redefining origins etc. Some characters do have aspects and history from before then that has been carried over (like Green Lantern), but even then it's not their entire history, just the stuff that writers want to reference.

With the success of the New 52 universe, I could see us getting another crisis soon as an event, but it won't be a reboot like the one we just got.

If you are planning to give DC a shot, i'd recommend Aquaman, Justice League, Action Comics, Justice League Dark and Detective/Batman. None of them are too hard on continuity at all.

alright, word. I'll check those out