Wolverine vs Link

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Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Those people have the strength to knock him out but usually after drawn out fights. It's rare that those have ever oneshotted him, don't think Colossus ever did. When have they temporarily incapacitated him? I know you're not arguing that, I'm arguing that Link isn't going to just casually knock him out and he's not going to get some flawless victory over him. Wolverine is a much better and faster fighter, more deadly, skilled and tactical. He's tagged people much faster, closed the gap between people in blinks. I may not be a fan of the character but I'm not going to ignore his history. He's taken on teams and won or at least put up a great fight. I'm still not seeing what Link brings that the others above him that lost doesn't have.
WonderMan had to continuously punch the shit out of Wolverine to put him down, and he was stopped before he even got the KO

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You mean when Link resisted being crushed by tens of tons in motion?
Link needs boots. Pathetic.

Do the boots make him more durable?

I'm busy trying to educate NamorSubby in the comic thread, but I still intend to get to this when I have time. 😮

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm busy trying to educate NamorSubby in the comic thread, but I still intend to get to this when I have time. 😮

It's kool, thread's not going anywhere, and I have Quan to pick on while you're busy. 👆

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I'm not arguing this, either. Though when I argue with Quan it's mostly to point out the things he says that are wrong so the last ten thousand pages probably are lost to translation.

I have no intention of ignoring Wolverine's history.

I don't believe that Wolverine has higher combat speed, nor is he faster than the chief enemy Link needed to overcome in Twilight Princess: Ganondorf. Ganondorf's speed and reflexes are extremely consistant across games. Arrows that can pierce solid stone and magical gems, penetrate massive super powerful tornados to strike the deity inside, travel obscene distances with high accuracy very quickly simply cannot touch Ganondorf if he does not allow it. OoT also has him deflecting lightning. Ganondorf's first kill in TP, having just recieve the ToP and at his weakest having not yet unlocked the artifact's power, was apparently super-sonic, according to OBD. I don't go there, but the blogs get shared with me. shrug I don't know how accurate this is, I didn't double check it. I don't think it's too relevant, considering Link bested Ganon at his peak who is capable of much more, as evidenced across every 3D game he appears in. Ganon is just as capable of harming Link as Logan is, due to Ganon's massive physical strength. Link did come out on top there. (It took him four rounds to do it, but he did.)

He also has combat teleportation, as does Zant who Link also bested. Link can hang with Ganondorf in terms of combat speed. I'm not going to argue he's as fast as OoT Link, but his combat speed is certainly high enough, and he has other advantages that cannot be ignored.

One is reach. In order for Wolverine to even make it within reach of Link he has to get past more than three feet of blade just to make contact, Link has no such trouble.

Another big one is that Wolverine's physical strength being as far below Links as it is that Link can manipulate Logan's body against Logan's will should he get hold of him and Logan would have no recourse. Logan needs this to remain 100% striking, in a grapple Link is simply too physically powerful, Logan would never be able to bring his claws to bear.

Skill can be debated, Logan obviously has many more showings as TP Link only got one game, that being said being retardo-skilled is basically Link's defining power. I won't argue this either way, though I will, get ready for this, admit that the evidence does tend to support Logan as the more skilled combatant. I just do not think that with Link's strength and combat speed advantage this will make a huge difference.

Link's final large advantage is that he carries a mini-mjolnir. It's nothing like the Skyfather hammer Thor has damaged Galactus with, but it's not without it's usefulness, as its' earliest incarnation was capable of severing and levitating a small continent from the Earth, and it's consistantly harmed Ganondorf who shrugged off a castle busting blow from the Fused Shadows.

How much of this is due to destructive, offensive magic, or negation of Ganon's own power is open to speculation, but the sword does have destructive feats, and Link's own strength behind it.

My argument is not that Link casually KO's Logan, my argument is simply that Link can hurt Logan badly enough to land a second blow. Then another. So on. Due to his greater reach and comparable if not better speed, this is more likely than not to be the case.

Logan has been temporarily KO'd or stunned by much less many times; Mister X could stagger him with blows from his fists and elbows. Spider-Man has done the same and KO'd him more than once, Spiderwoman's KO'd him twice, IIRC. He was out temporarily after jumping off that mountain. Not for long, but long enough for a character whose entire M.O. is 'attack when its' vulnerable' to capitalize.

Yeah, Logan has some very high showings of being able to continue uninhibited after schlobberknocks from The Hulk, but I'm not arguing Link OHKO's like has occured in some of Wolverine's lower showings. More that through many powerful blows above what has effected him in the past, he'll get there eventually.

I'm essentially arguing for the middle.

Busy off-site so can't fully respond, just a few points.

Reach brings nothing new. Wolverine is around 5'2-5'5 or something like that. Nearly everyone he fights has the advantage of reach. Hulk trounces him in size, hell his arm is probably half the size of Wolverine and Wolverine still hits him.

I remember OOT, I don't remember at any time during that final fight that the ball of energy/magic deflected between the two being referred to as lightning. What I believe that it is and should be until proven otherwise is just magical ball of energy. Just because it sparkles doesn't make it lightning. I've just never read anywhere where one of his powers or abilities were to generate lightning.

Wolverine has fought teleporters. He has been able to react to Nightcrawler porting in during a fight.

Wolverine is a better and smarter fighter. He could just counter, use any of his various martial art skills and styles to counter or use Link's strength against him. Berserker Rage will make him even that much more deadly. I'm not sure about that last part but are you saying that Wolverine isn't going to be able to pop his claws out in a fight or grapple with Link as if he's going to just hold them down? What h2h skills does Link even possess to show that he'd even beat him in a close quarter fight?

The sword isn't really anything stronger than what he's been hit with by before. Calling it mini-Mjolnir is a bit of an overstatement, it hurting Ganondorf is part of it's design. It was made to be his counter and bane last time I checked, an evil slaying sword.

I remember OOT, I don't remember at any time during that final fight that the ball of energy/magic deflected between the two being referred to as lightning. What I believe that it is and should be until proven otherwise is just magical ball of energy. Just because it sparkles doesn't make it lightning. I've just never read anywhere where one of his powers or abilities were to generate lightning.

Gonna respond to this right off the bat. Ganon's been producing lightning since 1991, and we have official art of Link intercepting it with his sword from that era.

It does not simply sparkle, it crackles, it takes on the form of bolts, and it electrocutes you anything it touches.

Link deals with lightning from bosses so frequently in fact that the case could be made on consistency alone, but the fact that we have official art and a canon instance of Link deflecting it really seals the deal. I'm not claiming TP Link can do this, FTR. But we know that Ganondorf certainly can. TP Link may not be be as fast as Ganondorf, but he can hang with him and best him in a sword duel. That is enough.

Wolverine has fought teleporters. He has been able to react to Nightcrawler porting in during a fight.
I don't doubt this, Wolverine is not slow, and you won't catch me calling him slow, either. I know he's fast, I just don't think he can blitz Link.

Wolverine is a better and smarter fighter. He could just counter, use any of his various martial art skills and styles to counter or use Link's strength against him.
This doesn't actually work in practice, unfortunately. There's no conceivable way for him to do this with a strength gap this wide. This is one of the things that bothers me most about him fighting Hulk so often, is that once the Hulk got hold of him there would be no recourse, but the Hulk usually just resorts to beating him down instead of holding him still. Wolverine is likely more skilled, we can't say for certain he's smarter.

I'm not sure about that last part but are you saying that Wolverine isn't going to be able to pop his claws out in a fight or grapple with Link as if he's going to just hold them down?

What I'm arguing there is that in a match of striking blows back and forth and fencing, Wolverine has the best chance. If it turns to a grapple at any point Link can manipulate Wolverine's body as he pleases regardless of the latter's skill, and Wolverine's claws would be more dangerous to himself than Link, this has been done to him before.

The sword isn't really anything stronger than what he's been hit with by before. Calling it mini-Mjolnir is a bit of an overstatement, it hurting Ganondorf is part of it's design. It was made to be his counter and bane last time I checked, an evil slaying sword.

It is an overstatement, but that's why I called it 'mini'. I have no misconceptions about which is more powerful, lol. Still, it IS powerful. As for the Ganondorf thing, this is a misconception.

It is a sword that destroys evil but that's actually not why it was created, it actually existed before long before Ganondorf, possibly before the world did. It was created by the gods for their own use, and remade by the first Hero, then other things happen, then in Skyward Sword it was forged in the flames of Din, Farore and Nayru, blah blah, blah.

The important detail is that it predates Ganondorf, and he has no weakness to the blade itself, or it's simply capable of ****ing him up on its' own merits. As I said before how much of it is offensive v.s. suppressing is up for debate, but it has high end feats of its' own that have nothing to do with Ganondorf or evil at all.

It is an evil slaying sword, as well as an anti-magic sword, a sentient sword, a time transcending sword, a flash light, a laser gun, and general plot device, lol.

Busy off-site so can't fully respond, just a few points.

IRL > Arguing on the internet, anyway. No problem, man.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste

I almost don't wan to say anything because you'll just get really pissy and defensive at me, but I've looked at this image enough over the years and I've never noticed it before but that doesn't even appear to be lightning. Its turning into blue fire in parts or whatever the **** the blue-white energy is and it seems to be sparkling.

I'm just bemused that I never noticed that before. Totally not saying anything else here though. Screw that shit.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Do the boots make him more durable?
Make the feat possible.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I almost don't wan to say anything because you'll just get really pissy and defensive at me, but I've looked at this image enough over the years and I've never noticed it before but that doesn't even appear to be lightning. Its turning into blue fire in parts or whatever the **** the blue-white energy is and it seems to be sparkling.

not lightning. I agree.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Make the feat possible.

In other words, no, the physical power and durability are all Link. Good.

Angles Scream, angles awecraz

On speed; Link doesn't need any lightning arguments as the arrow-timing speed is enough, which in TP are supersonic. Logan is fast but I don't believe he's consistently made to be supersonic. Link should be able to comfortably react to anything Logan does.

I dunno, I've seen some truly bullshit speed feats for him. You'd think the metal would slow the ****er down. :I

I don't really see Link grappling Wolverine and holding him during a length of time, the hyrulian hero doesn't fight like that at all.

Originally posted by Bentley
I don't really see Link grappling Wolverine and holding him during a length of time, the hyrulian hero doesn't fight like that at all.

It's how he fought the Gorons and Dangoro. To a lesser extent Fyrus, Morpheel and the dragon as well.