Most heroic ... villain?

Originally posted by Digi
...one of the stupidest comments ever.

Seriously, this was written solely for New York in the face of real-life tragedy. I don't think anyone was concerned about the canonicity of it, or how in character anyone was. That you are speaks to a profound lack of perspective and context.

Does anyone find any deep meaning or comfort from such a cheesy gesture?

It was a terribly written mess, no matter the intent.

Seriously, try to entertain people and give them an escape from what they are dealing with. Not remind them of it, OH EVEN DOOM IS CRYING FOR UR LOSS IM SO SORRY11!11

Magneto's a decent choice. I mean, if they're too heroic they're not villains anymore, yeah? So there has to be a "yeah, but..." to each legit villain we might name as heroic.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Joker.

kid marvelman

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Does anyone find any deep meaning or comfort from such a cheesy gesture?

It was a terribly written mess, no matter the intent.

Seriously, try to entertain people and give them an escape from what they are dealing with. Not remind them of it, OH EVEN DOOM IS CRYING FOR UR LOSS IM SO SORRY11!11

Well, iirc proceeds went directly to the recovery. And I doubt it was intended as entertainment...people find solace in all kinds of things, and 90% of Marvel takes place in NYC anyway. It was an honest attempt to do something right.

Also, 99.99% of anyone ever aren't comic fanboys. They're not going to be personally insulted by Doom crying, in a comic removed from any other story arc, and created solely in remembrance of a tragedy. Also in a comic with about a dozen other things going on, where rescue workers are shown as the truest heroes. Was it cheesy? Sure. But my comment was directed at the nerd-rage that was probably ignorant of the context and just upset at a Doom characterization...which is about the last thing anyone reading the comic cared about. Some moments transcend mediums. Doom crying probably made sense to many reading the comic, who weren't a decade removed and on an internet comic forum.

I cried when I read it. Not because it was brilliant (it wasn't), but because the weight of the tragedy needed release. Because I knew people living in NYC who I didn't know if they were alive or dead for days, and couldn't do anything during that time. And I didn't feel nearly as scared or helpless as thousands of others. Anything that evoked those memories struck a chord with me. I doubt I thought twice about Doom crying. Who the **** cares? It's a money-raising love letter to a broken city.

Originally posted by SamZED
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I'm pretty sure your leg's being pulled here, but, as long as his name appeared in this thread, I WILL point out that Joker once DID save the life of Batman, albeit on the animated show, not any comic that I know of. It wasn't exactly heroism, though, more a point of pride.
Harley Quinn had somehow arranged to dip Batman into a tank of piranha. Joker put a stop to it, determined that no one should have the honor of taking down the Batman save for himself ...

Then again, I seem to recall now some episode where the Martian Manhunter forced him to be sane and Joker actually DID help someone out or avert some disaster. I'll have to review my collection to try and jog my memory ...

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I'm pretty sure your leg's being pulled here, but, as long as his name appeared in this thread, I WILL point out that Joker once DID save the life of Batman, albeit on the animated show, not any comic that I know of. It wasn't exactly heroism, though, more a point of pride.
Harley Quinn had somehow arranged to dip Batman into a tank of piranha. Joker put a stop to it, determined that no one should have the honor of taking down the Batman save for himself ...

I remember that episode. But you forgot that as Joker was letting Batman down he decided that having him at his mercy was too good to pass up. He started the "killing process" all over again but of course Batman escaped.

Originally posted by juggerman

you forgot that as Joker was letting Batman down he decided that having him at his mercy was too good to pass up...

B-but he saved Batman from death at Harley's hand ...

🙁

Well, Joker has the excuse of being crazy. If he were in his right mind, he'd have respect for life, not do the things he does.

Jack Napier (is that his real name? Or have they changed it again?) is, devoid of that madness, a decent human being.

Proof, arguably, occurs here:

The arguable point, is, of course, that it COULD be Martian Manhunter inadvertently, subconsciously "nudging" Jack to do the right thing here. I don't think that's it, but don't really know either way; I don't know exactly where this takes place, only that it DID take place in a published DC comic some years ago.

LOBO was once a member of L.E.G.I.O.N an Intersteller Police agency and Etrigan the Demon was once the Good Guy from Hel! at least untill he ran for president with the intent of nuking Earth hell ,and heaven but I digress

Located the story those Joker scans came from:

JLA #15, Volume 1.
Circa 1998.

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/JLA_Vol_1_15

Doom.
Magneto.

Hasn't Baron Zemo(not WWII) been rather heroic despit being a villainous nazi?

Yeah, Zemo had an anti-heroic phase after the Thunderbolts got found out as the Masters of Evil.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
B-but he saved Batman from death at [b]Harley's hand ...[/B]

😂 Yes that is true. I wasn't trying to say you were wrong per se, i often remember bits and pieces of scenes but might not recall what happened seconds later, i was just letting you know there was a bit you forgot about/missed.

Originally posted by Digi
...one of the stupidest comments ever.

Seriously, this was written solely for New York in the face of real-life tragedy. I don't think anyone was concerned about the canonicity of it, or how in character anyone was. That you are speaks to a profound lack of perspective and context.

you know the deal; juggernaut is even their feeling shitty so it's just the industry paying respects, sort of like when a wrestler dies everyone "breaks character" and mourns

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ozymandias

Originally posted by psycho gundam
a little harsh

you know the deal; juggernaut is even their feeling shitty so it's just the industry paying respects, sort of like when a wrestler dies everyone "breaks character" and mourns

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ozymandias

Good analogy with the wrestling thing. Doesn't change my opinion though. The OP of it knew it was a 9/11 thing. Like I said, profound lack of perspective, as though the comment came from within a self-imposed bubble of semi-neurotic comic fandom.

Thanos has been shown to be noble and honorable.

Originally posted by Digi
Good analogy with the wrestling thing. Doesn't change my opinion though. The OP of it knew it was a 9/11 thing. Like I said, profound lack of perspective, as though the comment came from within a self-imposed bubble of semi-neurotic comic fandom.

Gladiator. The Daredevil one.