Most heroic ... villain?

Originally posted by Digi
Good analogy with the wrestling thing. Doesn't change my opinion though. The OP of it knew it was a 9/11 thing. Like I said, profound lack of perspective, as though the comment came from within a self-imposed bubble of semi-neurotic comic fandom.

Him disagreeing is a free pass to lay into him?

Greater tragedies taking place just about every day that remain largely ignored by comics. Wars are pretty much free-game when it comes to joking and ridiculing but 9/11's so sacred that he can't even dislike it? Come on...

^👆 this right here is what was ridiculous about that comic, not the poor characterization of villains. it is merely a reflection of the writers' US centered moral universe though.

You guys are just now noticing the nationalism in comics?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
You guys are just now noticing the nationalism in comics?

No?

I'm sorry is the discussion locked down to the first decade where it started?

hold on

there is an American bias in comics???????????

Originally posted by psycho gundam
You guys are just now noticing the nationalism in comics?

You just felt patronized. No apologies

Doom.

Originally posted by Digi
Well, iirc proceeds went directly to the recovery. And I doubt it was intended as entertainment...people find solace in all kinds of things, and 90% of Marvel takes place in NYC anyway. It was an honest attempt to do something right.

Also, 99.99% of anyone ever aren't comic fanboys. They're not going to be personally insulted by Doom crying, in a comic removed from any other story arc, and created solely in remembrance of a tragedy. Also in a comic with about a dozen other things going on, where rescue workers are shown as the truest heroes. Was it cheesy? Sure. But my comment was directed at the nerd-rage that was probably ignorant of the context and just upset at a Doom characterization...which is about the last thing anyone reading the comic cared about. Some moments transcend mediums. Doom crying probably made sense to many reading the comic, who weren't a decade removed and on an internet comic forum.

I cried when I read it. Not because it was brilliant (it wasn't), but because the weight of the tragedy needed release. Because I knew people living in NYC who I didn't know if they were alive or dead for days, and couldn't do anything during that time. And I didn't feel nearly as scared or helpless as thousands of others. Anything that evoked those memories struck a chord with me. I doubt I thought twice about Doom crying. Who the **** cares? It's a money-raising love letter to a broken city.

If you take his entire character history, he is pretty bipolar when it comes to his reaction to the death of random/innocent people.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
You just felt patronized. No apologies

Originally posted by curryman
Him disagreeing is a free pass to lay into him?

Greater tragedies taking place just about every day that remain largely ignored by comics. Wars are pretty much free-game when it comes to joking and ridiculing but 9/11's so sacred that he can't even dislike it? Come on...

I was wondering when someone was going to play the "bigger tragedies..." card.

Of course there are bigger tragedies. All the time. That's not the point, and the actual point shouldn't even need explaining. It has to do with societal impact, which 9/11 undoubtedly had in a way none of us have experienced before or since in our lives (unless you were alive for, say, Pearl Harbor).

I said nothing about joking and ridiculing. He ignored the entire context and singled out Doom's comic characterization. That was stupid, given how it was presented. It makes as much sense as complaining about the Rock not being in his wrestling persona in a Good Morning America interview. New Yorkers and stand-up comics make 9/11 and other tragedy jokes all the time, and it's fine...you need to be able to laugh. I just pointed out that it was dumb to hold it to the same standard as other comics, given its purpose. And it is. Might as well yell at Doom for endorsing Hostess Twinkies in the 60's while we're at it.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]Funniest part of that pic is that Juggernaut is there and he technically knocked down one of the towers in one of his own apperances. [/B]

See, this is quite amusing to me, because it detracts nothing from the comic but is something long-time comic readers might notice and see the irony in.

Hey, Doom'll ****ing murder a twinkie.

Originally posted by Oliver North
hold on

there is an American bias in comics???????????

Of course there is. The vast majority of employees for Marvel and DC are from the U.S. Can you honestly tell me that if 911 happened in Cambodia, it would affect you the same way? You're lying to yourself if you say yes.

Originally posted by curryman
Him disagreeing is a free pass to lay into him?

Greater tragedies taking place just about every day that remain largely ignored by comics. Wars are pretty much free-game when it comes to joking and ridiculing but 9/11's so sacred that he can't even dislike it? Come on...

Originally posted by Raisen
Of course there is. The vast majority of employees for Marvel and DC are from the U.S. Can you honestly tell me that if 911 happened in Cambodia, it would affect you the same way? You're lying to yourself if you say yes.

Originally posted by Raisen
Of course there is. The vast majority of employees for Marvel and DC are from the U.S. Can you honestly tell me that if 911 happened in Cambodia, it would affect you the same way? You're lying to yourself if you say yes.

Lex Luthor. He'd have been one of the greatest individuals in dcu if not for his jealousy of superman.

Originally posted by Mindset
Wtf is a Cambodia?

STFU and put on you gay Lowes apron and cook me a god damn cheeseburger.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Lex Luthor. He'd have been one of the greatest individuals in dcu if not for his jealousy of superman.

That's what he likes to claim. I'm pretty sure he's just handling his man-crush pretty badly.

Originally posted by Raisen
Of course there is. The vast majority of employees for Marvel and DC are from the U.S. Can you honestly tell me that if 911 happened in Cambodia, it would affect you the same way? You're lying to yourself if you say yes.

what a strange response...