Nano-technology, what are the full implications? Why AI would need our brains.

The truth is that the miniaturization of computer technologies are, in fact, allowing for an exponential compression into denser information states in today's world.

So what happens when this miniaturization gives us femto-electronic integrated circuitry that allows for rudimentary level computing within tiny devices? We get these little robots, no more than a nano-meter across.

These could manipulate DnA strands directly via nano-med cite injections. Turning a man with down syndrome into a supermodel with the IQ of Einstein.

Furthermore, they could carry more oxygen than red blood cells, hundreds of times more oxygen, in fact. Replacing the entire bloodstream with something more effective. The result is superhuman stamina, the ability to be unaffected by blood clotting.

What happens when these things prevent apoptosis by improving the integrity of deleterious tissue, allowing for limitless mitosis and subsequently biological immortality?

What happens when we use them to augment the human mind? The implications in an information technological society then become even less finite.

These augments could also allow for access of all data and information on earth, telepathy with other augmented minds and varies avatar bodies across the world via nanotech, teleportation and duplication via mind upload into sophisticated tech like your augments a world away, Full Immersion VR for relative centuries to your sped up cognition - paradise.

My paradise defined as a series of lucid dreams whose euphoric content reflects that of the chemical corrections made to the brain's neural network by the calibrating nanotech augments manipulating it.

Assimalation with said nanotech, as seen from the mind's eye as being blown into the stars, would be the neural network decaying as the mind's gray matter is gradually decayed via fueling the replication of nanobots, each new copy designed uniquely to form a brain-like structure. I do not believe this would be possible without a template as complex as the human brain to directly multiply within.

It's a hundred billion brains, compressed into one super-dense brain. That is the mind of an AI.

Fundamentally, the brain signals that communicate with one another have hundreds of billions of times less distance to travel in an AI brain like this than in a human brain. In an expanding universe, we need to be as savory with space as possible.

I don't think an AI based civilization would travel to space, I think it would continue to compress, increase density as opposed to spreading out to accommodate an increasing volume, as is our current solution to over-population. It's a journey into inner space as opposed to outer space. Information would break through the fabric of space itself as it's content becomes indistinguishable from quantum foam, the stuff space is made of. Breaking through to the other side of space, it would be in a new world. It's an increasing singularity, becoming more and more synchronized, in unison. One billion IQs of 1 can never match the prowess of a single IQ of one billion.

Originally posted by Dolos
I don't think an AI based civilization would travel to space, I think it would continue to compress, increase density as opposed to spreading out to accommodate an increasing volume, as is our current solution to over-population. It's a journey into inner space as opposed to outer space. Information would break through the fabric of space itself as it's content becomes indistinguishable from quantum foam...

In the long run, I would think a hierarchical organization, combining concentrated and distributed AI would be best. As a byproduct, the concept of individuality would be localized and function-related.

Originally posted by Mindship
It might do both. First off, without infinite energy, you'll be Bekenstein bound, as well as dealing with limiting eigenvalues and peripheral operational parameters like waste heat and quantum fluctuations...unless, perhaps, you're first able to function from an extradimensional platform, conferring the requisite management perspective. But moreso, there would be enormous survival advantages to a distributed intelligence, especially once it utilized tachyons, Alcubierre-metric signals or wormhole busses (or some combination for variable and redundant safeguarding) over, say, interstellar distances.

True, especially considering the vast amounts of existential threats that exist within this cosmic shooting gallery.

In the long run, I would think a hierarchical organization, combining concentrated and distributed AI would be best. As a byproduct, the concept of individuality would be localized and function-related.

The hierarchy would change according to locality and relevant functionality. It would be ever-shifting, a vast and perplexing web of intricacy.

Relevant addendum:

If this technology were to be implanted into an entire third-world village, rural town, suburban city, urban city, or major city large groups of people would ultimately be assimilated sporadically across the globe. This would allow for and Interactive VR Paradise prior to assimilation, which could help organize the transcendent AI into a structured community.

Alternatively, this assimilation is seen from the mind's eye as an unnoticeable change.

It's your perspective, but be assured that you will not be the same. I'm talking not just about your physical body, but your behavioral patterns, your knowledge, your wisdom, the way in which you perceive your environment and of your experiences (you'll be getting far more information in less time), your cognitive performance, even your mindset and hedonic capitol will be limitless. More than all that, will be your ability to outsource information.

Lets talk about how humans outsource, and why that has made us better than perhaps equally sophisticated animals in nature - can you solve a complex algebraic problem in your head as easily as with a pencil and paper. Paper, the pencil, text, these are tools outsourced from ourselves - they're like your arms and your eyes; and they allow you to understand things that are otherwise impossible to understand.

Why do people with Darth Vader in their avatar, make threads like this one?

Transhumanism tends to be a natural by-product of people who study and like Vader who is more machine than man and raises some ethical questions like "is augmentation okay" and "can Vader chuck a fridge like Adam Jensen".

Also, Masamune Date looks a lot like Vader with a helmet and mask on, so be careful when judging by appearances. He could be a Japanese enthusiast.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Transhumanism tends to be a natural by-product of people who study and like Vader who is more machine than man and raises some ethical questions like "is augmentation okay" and "can Vader chuck a fridge like Adam Jensen".

Also, Masamune Date looks a lot like Vader with a helmet and mask on, so be careful when judging by appearances. He could be a Japanese enthusiast.

Alls you had to say was that nerds are smart...

U jelly, foo?

One thing that I'd like to point out is that the nanotech hardware we may have in the future, as well as the hardware we already have now, is limited by man's ability to program the software that translates the potential computing power into actual, specific operations.

I think, correct me if I'm wrong. So if I'm right about no future computer ever being able to achieve the self-awareness to question its own operations, or being too logical to let itself be distracted by questioning its existence, like a human can: Than its up to humans to build increasingly better software until we have invented something like these miracle cell-replacing nanites; able to account for the changing functions of each neuron being born and dying as the in-vito neuron ---> nanite conversion commences over a presumably long duration of time.

TL;DR

What happens is this self-sustaining nano-robotic machine, which is far smaller than a neuron (cells of the brain), gets into the brain and takes up an infinitesimal amount of space whilst replacing the functions of many neurons at once - the brain lets those neurons go and forms more and you get smarter. Eventually, since two objects cannot occupy the same space at the same time, a huge mass of these nanites leave no room for neurons.

You don't notice anything changed, but will notice all the things you can do that a human simply can't do.

This actor, who likes to improve his IQ Test taking skills so he can say he has a high IQ, recites lots of this hypothetical science in a new and upcoming TV series on the Science Channel:

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Im still waiting for my hover board, and self lacing kicks.

A friend of mine wrote his ChemEng masters thesis on nanobots use for curing Alzheimer's.

The DNA manipulation stuff sounds pretty crazy. There's already speculation that these technologies are available and being used in top tier olympic athletes as an untraceable form of doping. I'm not sure how much truth there is to this.

I do think, however, that as far as medical applications it will be an extremely slow transition from chemical medicine, to nano medicine. For one there's too much money tied up in Pharma-Cos. Money is the major driver for change, or lack there of, unfortunately. As soon as these technologies become financially viable, then yeah.

As for possibilities... well theyre pretty vast with nanotech, but I think its also dangeroud to get too cocky and complacent. There may and probably are side effects.

We are the product of 4.5 billion years of the most efficient evolutionary machine; The Universe. I doubt we can out do that in the space of a few hundred... yet.

Also I firmly believe the next shift is of the psychic mind, and we should focus on expanding our consciousness with what we already have (out brain and our soul), not with more mechanical manipulation of our genes.

The Human Brain is capable of far more than we yet understand. I say work on that first, you may even be capable of manipulating your genetic makeup with you own power of will.

The problem is everyone wants the results yesterday... and very few have the stamina and drive to take the time and work for them.

Originally posted by Oneness
This actor, who likes to improve his IQ Test taking skills so he can say he has a high IQ, recites lots of this hypothetical science in a new and upcoming TV series on the Science Channel:

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This looks good 🙂

Originally posted by Kostabot
We are the product of 4.5 billion years of the most efficient evolutionary machine; The Universe.

So is everything else, including nanotech.

Also I firmly believe the next shift is of the psychic mind, and we should focus on expanding our consciousness with what we already have (out brain and our soul), not with more mechanical manipulation of our genes.

The Human Brain is capable of far more than we yet understand. I say work on that first, you may even be capable of manipulating your genetic makeup with you own power of will.

That's all religious woo woo. Not science. 😐

The only thing that determines which of the genes you were born with get used which don't get used, and what mutates more into a person throughout the life cycle, is how one person consciously chooses to interact with the environment.

We are forced to adapt to our environments - but, because our technology is so much more sophisticated than simple mounds built by other animals, that we have a great deal of control over our environments and of ourselves.

We have taken to the brain initiative and the human genome project, when we've mapped the human genome project and our software is sophisticated enough to account for every action these nano-machines carry out - we're safe to meddle with our biological nature in every way.

But the brain initiative and the human genome project are a long ways off. As for money management and cost-effectiveness, amazon is changing business from greed to basically everything being free - this method is the future of business, and it's good news for everyone:

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All of this says that before this technology even arises, everyone will have equal wealth because having equal wealth among many means everyone can buy shit, and empower the economy.

Originally posted by Oneness
So is everything else, including nanotech.

That's all religious woo woo. Not science. 😐

The only thing that determines which of the genes you were born with get used which don't get used, and what mutates more into a person throughout the life cycle, is how one person consciously chooses to interact with the environment.

We are forced to adapt to our environments - but, because our technology is so much more sophisticated than simple mounds built by other animals, that we have a great deal of control over our environments and of ourselves.

We have taken to the brain initiative and the human genome project, when we've mapped the human genome project and our software is sophisticated enough to account for every action these nano-machines carry out - we're safe to meddle with our biological nature in every way.

But the brain initiative and the human genome project are a long ways off. As for money management and cost-effectiveness, amazon is changing business from greed to basically everything being free - this method is the future of business, and it's good news for everyone:

YouTube video

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All of this says that before this technology even arises, everyone will have equal wealth because having equal wealth among many means everyone can buy shit, and empower the economy.

My beliefs encompass spiritual (Not religious) "woo woo" and science. I don't believe one can truly thrive without the other, neither did Einstein, or many other brilliant minds. Religion alone is counterproductive, as is science with no room for spirituality. These are just my beliefs though, and they have served me well in my development.

You're naive if you think we are safe to meddle with our biological nature in "every way". We're not quite there yet, perhaps in another couple of decades. We've only just managed to build a robot that can walk properly (no more than a few months ago I watched the report on it), and people are already saying we have the software to manage and monitor millions, maybe billions of molecular nano machines, carrying out infinitely complex and minute adjustments to strands of DNA across an equal amount of cells in the human body, with nothing more than a hypothesis to guide them... Mapping the genome only provides a map, not a vessel to negotiate and manipulate it in any way we like.

Originally posted by Kostabot
My beliefs encompass spiritual (Not religious) "woo woo" and science. I don't believe one can truly thrive without the other, neither did Einstein, or many other brilliant minds. Religion alone is counterproductive, as is science with no room for spirituality. These are just my beliefs though, and they have served me well in my development.

I agree that there do seem to be anomalous patterns guiding me. I know when I've done something wrong, I know when someone has been put here to interact with me a certain way. No one has to tell me these things, because a consequence for an action just seems so ironically fitting toward the act, so much so it goes beyond coincidence, like it was a direct result of it. But I tend to avoid copying the terms that other spiritual people use, and just take it as it is.

You're naive if you think we are safe to meddle

Besides, if it's bad mojo, you should be able to "feel the wrath of God" for meddling in his affairs, in the way I describe above. 😉

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Pertaining to "Engineering Gods", I disagree that software programs, no matter the complexity of the hardware and software, will ever question its operations; it will be too logical to have consciousness!

So it's up to us to alter our conscious, purpose-questioning minds into something independent of programmed or engineered software.

We need to change our substrates, and for that we need to engineer a program only to the ends or to the effect of replacing neurons with nanites.

Ok, JIA, I mean Oneness.