Originally posted by Galan007that puts him somewhere under Black Adam level
Quite right:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15825059/MordruSpeedForce.jpg.html---
Anyway, Mordru's best feat(imo) is owning Thunderbolt from within his own 'lamp':
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15825060/MordruThunderbolt1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15825061/MordruThunderbolt2.jpg.htmlI'll let y'all argue about where that puts him in relation to Odin.
Originally posted by Golgo13Let me know when you decide which version of Mordu you're discussing.
He was, but it doesn't mean he couldn't consume it. If he and Glorith could absorb Infinite Man, Speed Force shouldn't be a problem. And didn't he also absorb part or the full power of the Starheart? Which is all of DC's Chaos Magic?
Originally posted by Golgo13
He was, but it doesn't mean he couldn't consume it. If he and Glorith could absorb Infinite Man, Speed Force shouldn't be a problem. And didn't he also absorb part or the full power of the Starheart? Which is all of DC's Chaos Magic?
The starheart isn't "all of DC's "chaos" magic. It was simply all the "chaotic energy" that the guardians could find in one universe at one point of time. Chaotic energy doesn't mean it's Chaos magic it is the nature of "all magic". The whole reason that Alan is GL is because the "good" magic that was trapped in the starheart with the evil broke itself free knowing that one day the evil magic would also escape. His change from GL to Sentinel was when that happened and he had a more direct link to the energy. It's also why at the time he lost the Wood weakness which was more to do with wood being part of the "green" or life and the life magic he wielded could not be used to harm such.
Mordu's power level shifts vastly throughout his life span.
When he first appeared in the 20th century it was in Amethyst shortly after COIE. Unlike other immortal Lords of order etc who assumed mortal form Mordru actually also absorbed the soul of the gem world wizard he possessed which would mean that he would not be as limited by a physical form as Nabu and Shat-Ru etc were. At this point he was a fairly low in power compared to most later showings. So much so that Amethyst is able to do him great harm in his own place of power.
By the time of the early issues of the JSA a decade later we are told that he destroyed and absorbed the power of other LOO and LOC to be able to kill Jarred Stephens. We also see examples of him absorbing the infant Hector to take the power of the artifacts of Nabu ( albeit briefly), and as Said the power of Alan Scot, later the starheart. The energy absorption thing is then played out consistently though his appearances even his later ( by chronology if not by year appearance as they were published 5 years earlier in 94) in Legionares where he casually absorbs the power of a dozen or so members.
None of that energy absorption anywhere puts him at Odin level. I wouldn't even say that Pre COIE's feats ( one of which we saw in the view of Hourman one million of his future in JSA) were at Odin level.
Originally posted by beatboks
The starheart isn't "all of DC's "chaos" magic. It was simply all the "chaotic energy" that the guardians could find in one universe at one point of time. Chaotic energy doesn't mean it's Chaos magic it is the nature of "all magic". The whole reason that Alan is GL is because the "good" magic that was trapped in the starheart with the evil broke itself free knowing that one day the evil magic would also escape. His change from GL to Sentinel was when that happened and he had a more direct link to the energy. It's also why at the time he lost the Wood weakness which was more to do with wood being part of the "green" or life and the life magic he wielded could not be used to harm such.Mordu's power level shifts vastly throughout his life span.
When he first appeared in the 20th century it was in Amethyst shortly after COIE. Unlike other immortal Lords of order etc who assumed mortal form Mordru actually also absorbed the soul of the gem world wizard he possessed which would mean that he would not be as limited by a physical form as Nabu and Shat-Ru etc were. At this point he was a fairly low in power compared to most later showings. So much so that Amethyst is able to do him great harm in his own place of power.By the time of the early issues of the JSA a decade later we are told that he destroyed and absorbed the power of other LOO and LOC to be able to kill Jarred Stephens. We also see examples of him absorbing the infant Hector to take the power of the artifacts of Nabu ( albeit briefly), and as Said the power of Alan Scot, later the starheart. The energy absorption thing is then played out consistently though his appearances even his later ( by chronology if not by year appearance as they were published 5 years earlier in 94) in Legionares where he casually absorbs the power of a dozen or so members.
None of that energy absorption anywhere puts him at Odin level. I wouldn't even say that Pre COIE's feats ( one of which we saw in the view of Hourman one million of his future in JSA) were at Odin level.
What are some of Odin's best absorptions feats?
Originally posted by ODG
Let me know when you decide which version of Mordu you're discussing.
I know you don't want to hear it but the feat o Absorbing Infinite man is "valid" for any version of Mordru. It was shown both Pre and Post COIE. One of those post COIE showings of it occuring was in the Valor Series in the mid 90's. IIRC it was toward the end of the run ( between 18 to 23 somewhere).
Originally posted by beatboks
I know you don't want to hear it but the feat o Absorbing Infinite man is "valid" for any version of Mordru. It was shown both Pre and Post COIE. One of those post COIE showings of it occuring was in the Valor Series in the mid 90's. IIRC it was toward the end of the run ( between 18 to 23 somewhere).
Originally posted by beatboksThis isn't question of pre or post-Crisis. You're referring to a future version of Mordru, LoSH Mordru. Golgo13 is vacillating between feats performed by JSA Mordru and LoSH Mordru and it'd be nice if we could focus on one or the other.
I know you don't want to hear it but the feat o Absorbing Infinite man is "valid" for any version of Mordru. It was shown both Pre and Post COIE. One of those post COIE showings of it occuring was in the Valor Series in the mid 90's. IIRC it was toward the end of the run ( between 18 to 23 somewhere).
Originally posted by ODG
This isn't question of pre or post-Crisis. You're referring to a future version of Mordru, LoSH Mordru. Golgo13 is vacillating between feats performed by JSA Mordru and LoSH Mordru and it'd be nice if we could focus on one or the other.
That's why i said it depends on which version. Carver didn't specify which version we're using. I don't think it's current, DCnU, because he hasn't done anything of note.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The only real edge I see Mordru having is his timeline having no beginning or end and as such he's more "immortal" than Odin. Which doesn't mean he can't be beaten.
Pre-Crisis, I believe it was revealed that the Lords of Order and Chaos were responsible in creating the multivers as well. I think beatbok's has the scans.
