Who is more powerful, Odin or Mordu?

Owned a Thunderbolt and SHAZAM in ROE? I think that's pretty uber. Was going to absorb the Starheart and SF as well.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Owned a Thunderbolt and SHAZAM in ROE? I think that's pretty uber. Was going to absorb the Starheart and SF as well.

Those are good feats, but don't put him above Odin.

I think they are comparable power wise, myself. I don't see Odin massively above Mordru and vice versa.

Owning thunderbolt in his own residence is above odin and having an edge on Nabu while weakened is also above odin.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Owned a Thunderbolt and SHAZAM in ROE? I think that's pretty uber. Was going to absorb the Starheart and SF as well.

He owned Shazam? Does anyone have scans of their fight?

Also, the Thunderbolt feat was off panel no?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Owning thunderbolt in his own residence is above odin and having an edge on Nabu while weakened is also above odin.

Does the pen have any relevance on the Thunderbolts power level? You say it like it gives him a power boost like a Hell Lord in his own dimension or something of that sort.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He owned Shazam? Does anyone have scans of their fight?

Also, the Thunderbolt feat was off panel no?

Does the pen have any relevance on the Thunderbolts power level? You say it like it gives him a power boost like a Hell Lord in his own dimension or something of that sort.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He has said, he feels more powerful in his residence. Thunderbolt shits on Odin any day of the week.

Scan? I thought he just resided in the pen after he left his home dimension. I'm just curious.

Not always. I haven't seen him do anything above Odin's best either, no not even imprisoning the Spectre. During one point in the JSA run while he was granting wishes, we saw that his power was very limited to a point IIRC (Not sure if it was pre or post Tenth Age).

Also, why is beating the Thunderbolt above Odin? I'm pretty sure Yz can't do anything beside taking a beating without Jakeem's commands. Black Adam accomplished as much as Mordru.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Scan? I thought he just resided in the pen after he left his home dimension. I'm just curious.

Not always. I haven't seen him do anything above Odin's best either, no not even imprisoning the Spectre. During one point in the JSA run while he was granting wishes, we saw that his power was very limited to a point IIRC (Not sure if it was pre or post Tenth Age).

Also, why is beating the Thunderbolt above Odin? I'm pretty sure Yz can't do anything beside taking a beating without Jakeem's commands. Black Adam accomplished as much as Mordru.

You want to lowball thunderbolt? Seriously? Imprisoning spectre was done by just a part of thunderbolt, so its more impressive. Imprisoning Jim Corrigan Spectre is better than everything Odin has done. He's not Johns' spectre. Also Thunderbolt was given full permission to fight Mordru.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm posting from my phone, so I can't post the scan right now. I would post it as soon as I go to my home.

You want to lowball thunderbolt? Seriously? Imprisoning spectre was done by just a part of thunderbolt, so its more impressive. Imprisoning Jim Corrigan Spectre is better than everything Odin has done. He's not Johns' spectre. Also Thunderbolt was given full permission to fight Mordru.

Okay, thank you.

I'm not trying to lowball anything. I'm sorry but creating a thousand mile rock with life on it is not in any way, shape or form above Odin's abilities. As a matter of fact, IIRC Zauriel and Sentinel had the power to destroy it (It was noted that it would take a great deal of power). I'll have to re-read the fight because I just remember Jakeem telling Lz to take Mordru away where he couldn't cause harm. I don't even remember him being able to just give it free reign.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Okay, thank you.

I'm not trying to lowball anything. I'm sorry but creating a thousand mile rock with life on it is not in any way, shape or form above Odin's abilities. As a matter of fact, IIRC Zauriel and Sentinel had the power to destroy it (It was noted that it would take a great deal of power). I'll have to re-read the fight because I just remember Jakeem telling Lz to take Mordru away where he couldn't cause harm. I don't even remember him being able to just give it free reign.

I'm going to laugh at you if you think that just creating that rock imprisoned spectre. Yz defeated and then imprisoned spectre. You think Odin is going to beat spectre? LMAO.

That was in JSA 80. In that fight Jakeem told thunderbolt to hit mordru unless he said no. He never said no though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No problem.

I'm going to laugh at you if you think that just creating that rock imprisoned spectre. Yz defeated and then imprisoned spectre. You think Odin is going to beat spectre? LMAO.

That was in JSA 80. In that fight Jakeem told thunderbolt to hit mordru unless he said no. He never said no though.

He put him in the rock, but was it not the life he created that kept him there? The moment the world died, he broke free. If Zauriel and Sentinel even had a chance at breaking the prison, then Spectre should do it effortlessly unless he was getting incredibly lowballed. Says who? Did it even have a hint at the two having a fight? If so, I'll concede on just that small piece of information because it's logical.

So the fight where Mordru lays him out is in JSA 80? Then how did they get into the pen? I'm going to have re-read this shit again.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He put him in the rock, but was it not the life he created that kept him there? The moment the world died, he broke free. If Zauriel and Sentinel even had a chance at breaking the prison, then Spectre should do it effortlessly unless he was getting incredibly lowballed. Says who? Did it even have a hint at the two having a fight? If so, I'll concede on just that small piece of information because it's logical.

So the fight where Mordru lays him out is in JSA 80? Then how did they get into the pen? I'm going to have re-read this shit again.

No, its from JSA 49-50. Jakeem says hit mordru untill he says no and then orders T-bolt to bring mordru to his place of power to contain him.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Owned a Thunderbolt and SHAZAM in ROE? I think that's pretty uber. Was going to absorb the Starheart and SF as well.

owning shazam isn't really a impressive feat in all reality. Shazam is all hype, as much as I like the character he has no really impressive feats for a skyfather. And the notion that hes 100 fold more powerful in the ROE is a joke at best.

Originally posted by zeel
owning shazam isn't really a impressive feat in all reality. Shazam is all hype, as much as I like the character he has no really impressive feats for a skyfather. And the notion that hes 100 fold more powerful in the ROE is a joke at best.

Ordinarily i'd agree. Shazam has been easily defeated by both his kids who at the time were low level hell lords. Hell he didn't even have enough power to heal Freddy Freemam and even Inza Nelson fate could bring the dead back to life. Great character but often highly overrated

The DOV feat against him however was a good showing because his power level was the highest ever. Not because he was on the ROE but because he was completely unencumbered. For the first time in quite some time his power wasn't being used to contain the seven deadly sins etc. The thing is Mordru used his own power against him by drawing on the power of the Rock itself and so did Spectre. So it's not entirely a feat fro Mordru either. It was yet another example of how he can drain energy from any source.

Base line power Odin starts out higher by a bit. Mordru would have to drain him of a bit to make a match of it. he could certainly take a fight to him I have no doubt about it but in terms of power level Odin is on a higher tier.

Originally posted by zeel
owning shazam isn't really a impressive feat in all reality. Shazam is all hype, as much as I like the character he has no really impressive feats for a skyfather. And the notion that hes 100 fold more powerful in the ROE is a joke at best.

Originally posted by beatboks
Ordinarily i'd agree. Shazam has been easily defeated by both his kids who at the time were low level hell lords. Hell he didn't even have enough power to heal Freddy Freemam and even Inza Nelson fate could bring the dead back to life. Great character but often highly overrated

The DOV feat against him however was a good showing because his power level was the highest ever. Not because he was on the ROE but because he was completely unencumbered. For the first time in quite some time his power wasn't being used to contain the seven deadly sins etc. The thing is Mordru used his own power against him by drawing on the power of the Rock itself and so did Spectre. So it's not entirely a feat fro Mordru either. It was yet another example of how he can drain energy from any source.

Base line power Odin starts out higher by a bit. Mordru would have to drain him of a bit to make a match of it. he could certainly take a fight to him I have no doubt about it but in terms of power level Odin is on a higher tier.

Originally posted by abhilegend
A nearly powerless shazam beat spectre who treated a 5-d imp like a joke.

So a Shazam at normal power would be somewhere around abstract then?

Seeing as he beat a Spectre who is obviously way, way above 5D imps.

If Spectre came to Asgard and Odin absorbed power from all his relics and whatnot, he'd give at least as good of a fight as Shazam did.

Mordru.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nearly everytime Odin goes against true Cosmics, he gets humiliated.

So I guess my question is: which cosmics have legitimately 'humiliated' Odin in a battle, iyo?