Dcnu Superman vs anyone in strenght feats.

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Eel O'Brien Senior Member

Originally posted by Diesldude
Hyperion's is more a durability feat instead of strength feat.

The 2 worlds were getting pushed towards each other. We dont know if he world have resisted the force of the 2 universes or the weight of the 2 planets if they hadn't crumbled. He made an attempt to keep them apart, we dont know if he would have been successful or how much strength he applied because the planets crumbled. If someone can bench press a weight for 5 days straight they can double, triple, quadruple that weight for a single rep.

Agreed. If I'm bench pressing and drop the weight on my chest; I'm still technically hold the bench and bar apart. (unless my torso collapses)

Hyp's feat could be looked at as strength, but could also easily be looked at as durability. The fact that no insight is given into the exact forces at play makes it hard to judge.

yaadaveyaa Senior Member

i think someone explained this yesterday but i didnt know... what about trion juggs punching thru deminsions i think someone said this wasnt out of strength? i forget tho i think this would b unbelievably impressive if its a str feat

lawest9 Senior Member

Bump.

snowdragon Senior Member

Didn't Hullk seperate matter from anti-matter using his hands? Where does that fall into quantifiable feats?

I don't know if anyone asked but did anyone see how many times he pressed earth, once, twenty times etc left unknown?

Zack Fair Fanboy

How do you quantify that Hulk feat?

No specific number. He was simply stated as having been doing it five days straight. I doubt it would only be one time.

Rage.Of.Olympus Senior Member

Originally posted by Philosophía
👆 This, more or less. At least as far as the upper limit being high-herald is concerned [i.e. not WBH].

Hyperion holding two planets apart until they crumbled due to the pressure of the two Universes moving towards eachother is basically the best 'planetary feat' Marvel has at this level.

http://s593.photobucket.com/user/Max_Eisenhardt/media/NewAvengers003-Zone-018_zps528e2679.jpg.html

Read.

vince_slice B-Class Hero

"The earth is like an island breaking the surface of an ocean. He's literally pushing an entire universe hidden from us."

JakeTheBank Return of the King

The funny thing is we all know that Hyperion's feat, great as it no matter how you want to slice it, will never equate into him hitting significantly harder than the likes of Hulk or Thor or whatever top end brick/powerhouse they'll be pushing in the coming months.

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The funny thing is we all know that Hyperion's feat, great as it no matter how you want to slice it, will never equate into him hitting significantly harder than the likes of Hulk or Thor or whatever top end brick/powerhouse they'll be pushing in the coming months.
Same thing basically applies to DCnU Superman's planetary benching. Strictly speaking, it should have elevated him quite a bit... then we saw what happened in Throne of Atlantis.

But this sort of thing has been happening for decades on end to all characters, both major and minor.

leonidas MWHAHAHAHA!

meh, i'm not a fan of hype's feat. to me, there is too little shown. feels to me like too much is missing. if the feat were as simple as him standing between to universes and pushing them apart, it feels like there should have been a much clearer picture of it. it seems deliberately vague to me and i don't really trust it tbh. even if it did, that would mean i could easily sub in a host of other heroes from both universes to perform the same feat because hype's history clearly tells us he is NOT the strongest guy out there. be like wonderman suddenly keeping the planets together (though hype is a little stronger than simon, you get my point). either way, i'm very 'meh' about the feat. hopefully more info will be forthcoming about it. as it stands, it's an outlier for me, certainly not characteristic of his level.

JakeTheBank Return of the King

Originally posted by ODG
Same thing basically applies to DCnU Superman's planetary benching. Strictly speaking, it should have elevated him quite a bit... then we saw what happened in Throne of Atlantis.

But this sort of thing has been happening for decades on end to all characters, both major and minor.

👆

With Superman, in that same issue, his strength as far as striking force was equated to mountain shattering.

Lifting/pushing/etc. feats are all great, but they hardly ever, translate directly into characters hitting that hard or explicitly using planetary strength in combat. Not that every fight needs to be planetary scale or have collateral damage to indicate power being used, of course.

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by leonidas
meh, i'm not a fan of hype's feat. to me, there is too little shown. feels to me like too much is missing. if the feat were as simple as him standing between to universes and pushing them apart, it feels like there should have been a much clearer picture of it. it seems deliberately vague to me and i don't really trust it tbh.
There really isn't anything ambiguous about the narration, "By the time the worlds were about to touch, he was all that remained of them. Hyperion held them apart... until the worlds broke. The cascading energy collapsing two entire universes. And everything died. Everything... except him." Or about the ramifications of said act when Reed explicated what Cap was doing in New Avengers #3, "That Earth is like an island breaking the surface of an ocean. He's literally pushing an entire universe hidden from us..." Hyperion held two universes apart that were merging, until they collapsed around him. He couldn't stop the incursion, like Cap w/IG. Or reverse it. But he stood in the gap and held.
Originally posted by leonidas
even if it did, that would mean i could easily sub in a host of other heroes from both universes to perform the same feat because hype's history clearly tells us he is NOT the strongest guy out there. be like wonderman suddenly keeping the planets together (though hype is a little stronger than simon, you get my point). either way, i'm very 'meh' about the feat. hopefully more info will be forthcoming about it.
In other words, IDLI, IDH.
Originally posted by leonidas
as it stands, it's an outlier for me, certainly not characteristic of his level.
Obviously. But derivative supporting characters are allowed to have high feats also. When Superman Prime survived a universe buster, the forum's collective heart was aflutter with only a few trolls trying to act like it didn't happen. Hyperion virtually doubles that feat and only a few acknowledge it and most of the conversation revolves around people hoping (not so subtly) that some future story twist reversal will nullify the feat.

xJLxKing Senior Member

As far as strength is concerned no one in the high herald or lower tier can compete with Superman in terms of strength in feats. Sorry but him lifting a book which is infinite in weight is well high feat. Granted there are a few who have decent feats that can compare but the sheer number is just not there.

Diesldude Senior Member

Can anyone lift a 1000lb ball of jello?
make that 2 and put yourself in between them as they move towards each other. Once they push against you they will break down. That's what Hyperion did. He was in-between the 2 planets as they moved close to each other. Hyperion is harder than the planets but there is no proof that he pushed back 2 planet weights.

psycho gundam The Nightmare of Solomon

except that's what it says on panel. they crumbled before he let them touch

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by Diesldude
Can anyone lift a 1000lb ball of jello?
make that 2 and put yourself in between them as they move towards each other. Once they push against you they will break down. That's what Hyperion did. He was in-between the 2 planets as they moved close to each other. Hyperion is harder than the planets but there is no proof that he pushed back 2 planet weights.
How you ignore the simple phrase "held them apart... until the worlds broke" and also ignore that it was actually two entire universes hidden from view (not just two planets) pushing together is mind-boggling.

Estacado Legendary

Lobo effortlesly slamming Pulsar (he had stellar mass) into the ground was pretty badass....

lawest9 Senior Member

Btw, excuse me for asking, but which version of hyperion whose planet pushing feat is being used here?

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by lawest9
Btw, excuse me for asking, but which version of hyperion whose planet pushing feat is being used here?
The new one in Avengers vol.5.

Eel O'Brien Senior Member

Originally posted by Eel O'Brien
Agreed. If I'm bench pressing and drop the weight on my chest; I'm still technically hold the bench and bar apart. (unless my torso collapses)

Hyp's feat could be looked at as strength, but could also easily be looked at as durability. The fact that no insight is given into the exact forces at play makes it hard to judge.

"Held them apart" does not necessarily mean strength feat.