Originally posted by Branlor Swift
If that happened to Supes, you can bet anyone would be a troll for going against it.So anyway, Lobo's feat smashes it, Hyperion's bends it over and plows it, Drax was ripping cores out of suns so that probably beats it. Probably a lot more
You said it man. I agree fully. I wonder how you say double standard in Chinese?
Originally posted by leonidasYou defended Prime's universe-buster feat because of his history (and Superman's indirectly). You basically poo-pooed Hyperion's double universe-buster feat (because of alternate Hyperion's histories). "Cool" was a euphemism to describe how you were treating the two characters. But keep trying to act like I am trying to turn this entire KMC forum against you with pernicious lies, leonidas. I'd laugh outright if I wasn't struck by the oafishness of such an accusation.
you are--apparently--laboring under this impression that we are....debating the way i feel about this feat. i swear, if you stick anymore words in my mouth my head will explode. prime is, i guess 'cool' because......wait, i never said he was cool. hyperion isn't cool because he's not super--wait, i didn't say that either. someone reading your arrogant, misleading post would assume i said both. misdirection and lies ftw? 👆
Originally posted by leonidasWhen the point that I've been driving is that other characters and your mental baggage about them shouldn't blind you from what Hyperion clearly did on-panel, well... you basically are just reinforcing everything that I was poking at in the first place by now bringing up Thor and Hulk. That Superman Prime was originally singled out was a simple illustration because his universe busting feat was the most comparable to Hyperion's. To which, again, you acknowledged whilst simultaneously discounting Hyperion's feat. Which led to Superman. Which now leads to Thor and Hulk. And, again,... further and further away from Hyperion. Which is just an a$$-backwards way of approaching that feat.
i also said (you really seem to want to ignore what i said and force some 'read-between-the-lines agenda' on my words for reasons i can't grasp) i didn't like that the feat destroys every feat done by thor and hulk. so my bald refusal has nothing to do with hype, and everything to do with thor, hulk AND superman. and cap marvel. and black adam. etc...
Originally posted by leonidasI never brought up the book feat but once -- after others had already forced it onto this thread. And had you bothered to even read my comment, it wasn't even directed at you. In fact, I specifically said it wasn't directed at you. So unruffle your feathers for a second and read, please.
and you repeatedly bring up the book feat. why the hell you keep lumping me in with the whole of kmc and assuming my beliefs are consistent with the masses i have no idea. i don't give a rat's ass about some unquantifiable feat or who performed it soooo stop bringing it up like you're trying to get me to take a stance on it.
Originally posted by leonidasHyperion's feat is not an affront to comics or other characters. That's what you don't get. STOP telling me that I can't tell you WHY your reasons for not liking it are wrapped up in other things that have NOTHING to do with Hyperion himself with a rather childish hope that it gets banished somehow. thanks much.
i don't like the feat BECAUSE it is ludicrous in itself. i would find it somewhat more palatable if one of the big guys in either universe did it, true, but it would STILL be labelled pis. some character with no history walks in and performs a feat that spits on feats on every character for 50yrs? yeah, i don't like it. STOP telling me WHY i don't like it--and it would be cool if you stopped trying to be cute by emulating my own replies. thanks much.
Originally posted by -Pr-
😂I was asking more about how Hyperion did it, not how it could be done. Though there are gaps in my reading, so I'll need to catch up.
Hyperion's feat although is way better than anything hulk or thor has done still pales in comparison to Superman's bench press feat.
I mean how can you compare what Cap did with the IG to Hyperion getting boned from both sides.
Cap pushed a universe and it was clearly stated. When you look up in the sky and see another earth completely filling your line of sight, where the phuck is the universe got to be? Behind it of course, now I don't know how that correlates to a universe being behind the planets that sandwiched prime. The worlds not just the 2 earths but every planet,star, galaxies were going to collide. hyperion got mounted from both sides trying to prevent the 2 earths from crashing. This isn't hard, but people like trolling and have nothing better to do with their lives than get worked up over a comic book character.
my opinion can be changed only if someone can tell me why Reed specifically stated that cap pushed the universe but Hyperion only held worlds apart and there were no mention Hyperion holding universes back.
If it was universal they would have stated it, like they once stated PC superboy holding 2 galaxies.
^ Potshots from behind the ignore function. That hasn't ever happened before...
Who am I kidding? Yes, it has. Rarely so quickly though.
I like this theory though that Hyperion wasn't actually dealing with the same type of problem that Cap w/ IG was dealing with. Cosmic coincidence that the two scenarios started out exactly the same with Earths threatening to collide, the skies turning red, and mutual destruction being guaranteed unless it were reversed (not just stopped), and two people pushing against worlds?
Whatever. Apparently, the incursion Hyperion dealt with was completely different from Cap's. Planetary only. Not universal because universe was never stated (despite universes being destroyed on-panel... herp derp???). Despite all incursions being the same:
Somehow, some way... Hyperion wasn't dealing with the same thing. Smart.
For the record, I never said Hyp didn't hold the worlds apart; I just don't see how he could be doing it with muscles.
The earth is not a hollow shell, it's a mass with layers and a certain amount of solidity. Now, supposing that Hyperion did push an Earth with just strength; we have a roughly 8-inch contact patch between Hyp's hand and whatever piece of land he's pushing. Are you telling me that the whole Earth just gave into shearing forces instead of the surface simply giving way at the point of contact with Hyp's hand?
That coupled with the fact that we never see Hyperion grab/push/touch either Earth tells me that more is going on than we are currently being told.
For anyone trying to pick my interpretation apart, you should be hoping I'm right. If he used muscles, it takes a lot less than planet pushing strength to push a world until the crust cracks. I think he did hold the worlds apart, I just think he did it using, as yet, undetermined means.
It is absolutely a great feat (and overdue for a guy like Hyp) but I'm just not convinced that we were seeing a strength feat.
FWIW, it's just the way I'm seeing it; if you see it another way; there is no reason to tell me how wrong I obviously must be and how I must not read comics. Oh, and @ thegodkiller- try to leave my menstrual cycle out of the discussion next time; that's none of your business...
Originally posted by ODG
You defended Prime's universe-buster feat because of his history (and Superman's indirectly). You basically poo-pooed Hyperion's double universe-buster feat (because of alternate Hyperion's histories). "Cool" was a euphemism to describe how you were treating the two characters. But keep trying to act like I am trying to turn this entire KMC forum against you with pernicious lies, leonidas. I'd laugh outright if I wasn't struck by the oafishness of such an accusation.
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ONE reason i dislike hype's feat is because of his LACK of history you arrogant sop. stop putting words in my mouth and stop writing posts that people can misconstrue. again. i invite anyone to read my posts--no hidden agenda, no need to read between the lines. the fact that you think you need to force some hidden agenda into my posts is literally laughable. you're wearing a tinfoil hat right now, aren't you?
When the point that I've been driving is that other characters and your mental baggage about them shouldn't blind you from what Hyperion clearly did on-panel, well... you basically are just reinforcing everything that I was poking at in the first place by now bringing up Thor and Hulk. That Superman Prime was originally singled out was a simple illustration because his universe busting feat was the most comparable to Hyperion's. To which, again, you acknowledged whilst simultaneously discounting Hyperion's feat.
i didn't reinforce anything you said--i said it--blatantly--several times myself. if you don't like the reasons i don't like the feat, i don't give a shite, and neither does anyone else. you're what, taking some moral high ground to make it seem i'm not liking the feat for reasons YOU deem inappropriate? 😂 presumptuous much? i don't like the feat because it was poorly illustrated, the scope is idiotic, a b-lister performed it without any history to support such a feat, etc... there are other reasons why i don't like it, but you probably won't like them either and feel like i'm not entitled to them, or think i'm secretly hiding them or belittle them, or.....whatever it is you're trying to do.
STOP telling me that I can't tell you WHY your reasons for not liking it are wrapped up in other things that have NOTHING to do with Hyperion himself with a rather childish hope that it gets banished somehow. thanks much. [/B]
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you are cute when you try to be cute. anywho, i entertained this noon-discussion long enough. you don't like why i don't like the feat and arrogantly assume that i should blithely accept it like i should accept any other pis feat at face value, apparently. well done, great stance, kudos to you for upholding the kmc's moral banner. i'd laugh at you but for the overbearing stance you've tried to hide among your "moral" and tangential arguments. continue to feel free to educate me on how i DO feel about the feat, WHY i feel as i do about it and how i SHOULD feel about it. on second thought, i will laugh. 😆
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(now quick, add a thumbs up and a laugh emoticon to the end of post! and maybe a quick parenthetical addendum. lol )
Lol this feat sure has ruffled a lot of feathers....(reminds one of HOTM.lol). At face value though just from what is on panel, it seems that Hyperion did for at least a period push against two universes coming together. He didn't ulimatley succeed but even being able to temporarily hinder the process is incredible...and ridiculous. it's ok to suspect it will be elaborated on later and even dislike the feat entirely due to its over the top nature....but that should in no way discredit what was plainly shown regarding it up till this point in time. ( all this stuff about hyperion not being in the same situation as cap with ig because at the time reed didn't mention the word universe is moronic).
Personally I take it to be an incredible feat which if it stays as is will probably be the most extreme of outliers in this new Hyperions career. It definitely will not translate into Hyperion disintegrating his former peers with punches or anything like that. He will probably still be shown at a comparable level to hulk and Thor and the likes. Still is a crazy feat though.
Originally posted by ODGThe phuck, not everyone is glued to their chair by their very own feces like yourself. I just hadn't gotten around to ignoring you yet. I probably won't because I like watching you make a fool out of yourself.
^ Potshots from behind the ignore function. That hasn't ever happened before...Who am I kidding? Yes, it has. Rarely so quickly though.
I like this theory though that Hyperion wasn't actually dealing with the same type of problem that Cap w/ IG was dealing with. Cosmic coincidence that the two scenarios started out exactly the same with Earths threatening to collide, the skies turning red, and mutual destruction being guaranteed unless it were reversed (not just stopped), and two people pushing against worlds?
Whatever. Apparently, the incursion Hyperion dealt with was completely different from Cap's. Planetary only. Not universal because universe was never stated (despite universes being destroyed on-panel... herp derp???). Despite all incursions being the same:
Somehow, some way... Hyperion wasn't dealing with the same thing. Smart.
So Where does it say that the universes are pushing the earth towards a collision? All it says is that they exist in a same harmonic space until they start to drift towards the same space and the incursion begins. That doesn't mean that the universes are occupying the same space, or that they are pushing the earths into a collision. Hyperion in the middle of 2 worlds that are drifting towards each other does not = holding back 2 universes. Cap with the IG moved the 2nd earth and the entire universe to prevent any further danger of a future collision.
Seriously I hadn't seen this scan nor had I read that comic and I can see where you are coming from though.
The scans pertaining to the hyperion feat, cap's struggle to do the same with ig, and the diagram of the world/universe annihilation process pretty much make it inarguable 👆
Not only do you have someone with an amp trying to replicate the same crazy feat but then you have a walk-through of what happened. Most outliers get far less to work with
