Originally posted by curryman
Not the point I was referring to, nor was it the point you replied to with that comment 🙂
Originally posted by ODG
And yet that's the exact point I was making with my comment.
Ok.
Mine was more in reference to the sheer ego it would take to make the claims that you did.
Can't fault anyone for finding the Hyperion feat ridiculous and it's a lot easier to take in something when it's the IG being used and not just a picture of a man standing in between two worlds and screaming.
Originally posted by currymanOk, but let's see how you attempt to backtrack.
Ok.Mine was more in reference to the sheer ego it would take to make the claims that you did.
Can't fault anyone for finding the Hyperion feat ridiculous and it's a lot easier to take in something when it's the IG being used and not just a picture of a man standing in between two worlds and screaming.
I don't see how ego plays into it. Reed says, "He's literally pushing an entire universe hidden from us..." He wasn't being figurative, or using flowery prose. He was being literal. There's no other way to interpret what he said. You'd have to be illiterate and not comprehend what the adverb "literally" constitutes to avoid the plain meaning of Reed's statement.
Finding it ridiculous is pretty much what everyone has done. Including me. It's a ridiculous feat. Nobody denies that or finds fault in that. The issue I confronted is the act of pretending it didn't actually happen. And I might be sympathetic with your reticence to accept a picture of a man screaming in between two worlds had there not been plain words to accompany the pictures or an entire comic explaining the actual mechanics behind the crisis faced. Selective memory, much?
Originally posted by ODG
Ok, but let's see how you attempt to backtrack.I don't see how ego plays into it. Reed says, "He's literally pushing an entire universe hidden from us..." He wasn't being figurative, or using flowery prose. He was being literal. There's no other way to interpret what he said. You'd have to be illiterate and not comprehend what the adverb "literally" constitutes to avoid the plain meaning of Reed's statement.
Finding it ridiculous is pretty much what everyone has done. Including me. It's a ridiculous feat. Nobody denies that. The issue I confronted is the act of pretending it didn't actually happen. I might be sympathetic with your reticence to accept a picture of a man screaming in between two worlds had there not been plain words to accompany the pictures or an entire comic explaining the actual mechanics behind the crisis faced. Selective memory, much?
Don't try to sass me about backtracking when I'm clearly responding to your reply aimed at his Hyperion comment. Move past the Infinity Gauntlet incident, I'm not talking about that.
You feel that the IG incident with Cap somehow legitimizes the Hyperion feat. This guy feels that it doesn't. You insult him over this? This is how you conduct yourself in a debate? An adult man?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Why? Because he was nice enough to ask for help. Even if we say he only lifted half of that book, he still lifted 26 universes. Ultraman was exact equal of superman in that story anyway.
Not equal in feats though.
He only did half of what Ultraman did. Ultraman also lifted it longer and higher.
Originally posted by currymanYour mom is an adult man!
Don't try to sass me about backtracking when I'm [b]clearly responding to your reply aimed at his Hyperion comment. Move past the Infinity Gauntlet incident, I'm not talking about that.You feel that the IG incident with Cap somehow legitimizes the Hyperion feat. This guy feels that it doesn't. You insult him over this? This is how you conduct yourself in a debate? An adult man? [/B]
Originally posted by ODG
Are you questioning the mechanics of fictional alternate reality vibrational mechanics? Your disbelief is rather misplaced concerning the material here, i.e., comic books. Moreover, your disbelief completely ignores the in-story explanation. Cap w/ IG pushed against an entire universe by focusing his power against a world as his focal point. So apparently a planet can sustain the pressure of pushing against an entire universe, at least until the 8 hour limit for incursions is reached.
I suspect that you realize this and are just feigning complete ignorance. Hyperion held the worlds apart, which according to the storyline's ramifications, means you are actually holding their entire respective universes apart which are hidden from view.
I sense a lot of reading comprehension fail on your part. Cap didn't push just the planet, he pushed the entire universe with the IG. Event-hough the IG was pointed towards the earth, Reed himself stated that the earth is an island breaking the surface of an ocean. Cap with the ig wasn't just pushing the earth that was right there in the sky but the universe that the naked Eye could not see.
Compare that to what was stated in the hyperion's feat.
The panels stated the following:
"A second earth hung low in the sky" - The link above states a 2nd earth hung in the sky. Not a universe but a 2nd earth
"By the time the worlds were about to touch he was all that remained of them"
"Hyperion held them apart until the worlds broke, the cascading energies collapsing two entire universes"
The writer clearly differentiates between "worlds" and "univserse"
The Worlds that were about to collide and the universes that collapsed due to cascading energies.
No where does it say that the universes collapsed because they collided into eachother.
Hyperion saw the 2 earths were about to crash and got inbetween them and "held them apart" but failed.
Where does it say that the force or the weight of the universe was pushing against the two earths. Show me where the entire weight of the universe was focused on the planets that Hyperion got in between. Show me where the entire weight of the universe was focused on the planet that was on the panel that cap pushed back with the IG?
Originally posted by ODG
If you are physically incapable of accepting this plain fact, I'd label it a case of spontaneous illiteracy.Doctor's recommendation: get over it.
The little wiener of an internet thug goes for the personal attacks again. They need to increase your prescription and remove your computer privileges at the facility they are holding you in. BTW Welcome to my ignore list.
Originally posted by currymanYou might not want to talk about it now. But I was talking that incident because it clearly explains the consequences and ramifications of what Hyperion did. You responded to the content of my comment, after all. So if you're going to take exception to my comment, you can't just yell at me now for addressing you by talking about my comment. Talk about chewing on your own foot.
Don't try to sass me about backtracking when I'm [b]clearly responding to your reply aimed at his Hyperion comment. Move past the Infinity Gauntlet incident, I'm not talking about that.You feel that the IG incident with Cap somehow legitimizes the Hyperion feat. This guy feels that it doesn't. You insult him over this? This is how you conduct yourself in a debate? An adult man? [/B]
When he calls our interpretations "laughable but tragically misguided" first, what delicate sensibilities and courtesies did you think were preserved in the conversation? Two wrongs don't make a right, sure. But let's not pretend that Diesldude wasn't attacking other viewpoints outright with his comment.
Thanks for blatantly ignoring that in your haste to save face over your completely pointless and misplaced resentment.
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Originally posted by DiesldudeAnd Hype wasn't just pushing the earth that was right there in the sky but the universe that the naked Eye could not see. Because that is the nature of incursions. It's not just earths coming together, but their entire universes.
I sense a lot of reading comprehension fail on your part. Cap didn't push just the planet, he pushed the entire universe with the IG. Event-hough the IG was pointed towards the earth, Reed himself stated that the earth is an island breaking the surface of an ocean. Cap with the ig wasn't just pushing the earth that was right there in the sky but the universe that the naked Eye could not see.
Originally posted by DiesldudeA second earth hung low in the sky when Cap donned the IG too. Herp, derp. It was the same exact situation.
Compare that to what was stated in the hyperion's feat.The panels stated the following:
"A second earth hung low in the sky" - The link above states a 2nd earth hung in the sky. Not a universe but a 2nd earth
Originally posted by DiesldudeSo what if the worlds didn't collide? That doesn't mean the universes weren't merging onto the same vibrational plane and pushing towards each other. Because that's what an incursion actually is. It's why the worlds were coming closer. Because the universes were coming closer to each other. Are you pretending that Hyperion wasn't dealing with an incursion?
"By the time the worlds were about to touch he was all that remained of them""Hyperion held them apart until the worlds broke, the cascading energies collapsing two entire universes"
The writer clearly differentiates between "worlds" and "univserse"
The Worlds that were about to collide and the universes that collapsed due to cascading energies.No where does it say that the universes collapsed because they collided into eachother.
Originally posted by DiesldudeYes, he failed. Cap didn't.
Hyperion saw the 2 earths were about to crash and got inbetween them and "held them apart" but failed.Where does it say that the force or the weight of the universe was pushing against the two earths. Show me where the entire weight of the universe was focused on the planets that Hyperion got in between. Show me where the entire weight of the universe was focused on the planet that was on the panel that cap pushed back with the IG?
We just went over this. And you yourself recited Reed's own words. Holding an Earth back from advancing is holding its respective universe back from advancing. Cap was pushing against the world and was slowing its advance. That's when Reed said he was "literally pushing an entire universe hidden from us." When Cap was slowing down its advance. Then everyone told him to not just stop the advance because everything would be destroyed anyway (like what happened with Hyperion's world), but reverse it and he had to push harder and actually send the world backwards (with its universe). Hype held them apart and halted the advance but couldn't reverse it.
Originally posted by Diesldudehysterical
The little wiener of an internet thug goes for the personal attacks again. They need to increase your prescription and remove your computer privileges at the facility they are holding you in. BTW Welcome to my ignore list.
Even with the clumsy flaming, putting me on ignore is your prerogative. So long as you actually hold to it, it'll be respected.
