Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Starbrand was barely damaged in both fightsAnd he was holding back.
BM didn't have any help vs the Team that he took on.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
He became accepting of it sooner than anticipated. It's more to do with the Starbrand's seeming depreciation to "barely" herald level(in his own twisted perception of reality).
Originally posted by zopzopIt does when he got his powers like 5 minutes before that happened.
That "he (aka Starbrand) was holding back" line doesn't work when we have him stating ON PANEL that Nightmask "saved" him from the Avengers.BM didn't have any help vs the Team that he took on.
BM got hurt by almost everyone that took a swing at him. Hell, he was getting beaten one on one by Sentry until he KO'ed him. The first time Starbrand was beating a team of Thor, Hulk, Hype, Iron Man, Cap, etc, until Hulk was thrown from space at him. Hype alone is way above BM
The team BM took on was a second rate team. Starbrand took on the most powerful Avengers line up in history.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Starbrand took on the most powerful Avengers line up.
He's exactly what I stated : barely herald level. His durability is around high herald but everything else is lacking. I don't remember but can he even fly? 😆
Originally posted by Damborgson
Blue Marvel would lose Thor, Hulk or Hyperion. Is he strong? You bet. But he's a solid notch below strabrand.
He's not a notch below the Starbrand. If anything he's more powerful but possibly less durable.
Originally posted by zopzop
I NEVER said he'd beat that Avengers team. I just said he couldn't possibly do worse than the Starbrand who did literally NOTHING.He's not a notch below the Starbrand. If anything he's more powerful but possibly less durable.
He one shot hyperion and put the Hulk in space. Plus noticeably damaged ironman by hitting Thor. Not to mention took a massive thor/hyperion/hulk slam.
I get that you don't like him. And you definitely don't have to, I don't care for him either, but he's pretty strong.
Originally posted by zopzopHe damaged Hyperion, he damaged Thor and Iron Man, he sent Hulk into space. He was winning until Hulk was thrown from space at him and then held him.
And did NOTHING. Nothing at all. At the end he needed to be saved by Nightmask.He's exactly what I stated : barely herald level. His durability is around high herald but everything else is lacking. I don't remember but can he even fly? 😆
The second fight he was throwing everyone around until Thor, Hulk, and Hype attacked at the exact same time. And he told them to stop.
Did you even read the issues?
He also had shields capable of deflecting the team's attacks, and durability to tank their attacks.
Right now you're just trolling because you're butthurt because you didn't understand Gruen's work, and you felt that that work should be the average. Even though your understanding of it goes against Starbrand's entire history.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
He damaged Hyperion, he damaged Thor and Iron Man, he sent Hulk into space. He was winning until Hulk was thrown from space at him and then held him.
Blue Marvel would have been one paneled against those Avengers.The second fight he was throwing everyone around until Thor, Hulk, and Hype attacked at the exact same time. And he told them to stop.
Did you even read the issues?
He also had shields capable of deflecting the team's attacks, and durability to tank their attacks.
Right now you're just trolling because you're butthurt because you didn't understand Gruen's work, and you felt that that work should be the average. Even though your understanding of it goes against Starbrand's entire history.
Pre Gruenwald, it was the most powerful object in the New Universe. Regarding the post Gruenwald Starbrand, even in Untold Tales it was an object of power unique in all the mutliverse that tapped into/was a conduit of some sort of energy flow that rippled through the multiverse.
Ellis/Hickman's Starbrand is a joke.
Originally posted by Branlor SwiftIn his return to the Marvel Universe after a long career of super-heroing, Blue Marvel fights a Mighty Avengers lineup of Sentry, Wonder Man, Ares, Iron Man, and Ms. Marvel. After an extended fight, Sentry divebombs him and Blue Marvel falls defeated and collapses into unconsciousness.
He damaged Hyperion, he damaged Thor and Iron Man, he sent Hulk into space. He was winning until Hulk was thrown from space at him and then held him.
Blue Marvel would have been one paneled against those Avengers.The second fight he was throwing everyone around until Thor, Hulk, and Hype attacked at the exact same time. And he told them to stop.
Did you even read the issues?
He also had shields capable of deflecting the team's attacks, and durability to tank their attacks.
Right now you're just trolling because you're butthurt because you didn't understand Gruen's work, and you felt that that work should be the average. Even though your understanding of it goes against Starbrand's entire history.
In like the first five minutes of his existence, Starbrand fights an Avengers lineup of Thor, Hyperion, Hulk, Iron Man, Ms. Marvel, and Cap. After an extended fight, Hulk divebombs him and Starbrand is still alive and kicking and teleported away.
Hours later, Starbrand fights against a larger and more powerful Avengers group alongside a Nightmask, who doesn't seem to do too much. After an extended fight, Hulk/Hyperion/Thor all divebomb him simultaneously and Starbrand is simply knocked over and tells everyone to stop as he didn't want to fight in the first place and was holding back.
Somehow, Blue Marvel beats Starbrand????????
Originally posted by Branlor SwiftHyperion way above BM? BM took out Hyperion with just a few hits you better check the history and Thor and Hulk would have a hell of time with BM. He one shot Sentry and blew iron man, ares, and wonder man off him like they were nothing once he got serious.
It does when he got his powers like 5 minutes before that happened.BM got hurt by almost everyone that took a swing at him. Hell, he was getting beaten one on one by Sentry until he KO'ed him. The first time Starbrand was beating a team of Thor, Hulk, Hype, Iron Man, Cap, etc, until Hulk was thrown from space at him. Hype alone is way above BM
The team BM took on was a second rate team. Starbrand took on the most powerful Avengers line up in history.
Originally posted by zopzopThanks for the insider info.
Hilarious. I'm just going to save a little tidbit of info I got from CBR Forums regarding an upcoming fight involving the Starbrand. Who he gets laid out by is too good to spoil. So I stand by my "barely herald level" comment.Pre Gruenwald, it was the most powerful object in the New Universe. Regarding the post Gruenwald Starbrand, even in Untold Tales it was an object of power unique in all the mutliverse that tapped into/was a conduit of some sort of energy flow that rippled through the multiverse.
Ellis/Hickman's Starbrand is a joke.
And like I said, your view of how it was portrayed went against its previous history. It was what, asteroid level in its original story? Somehow you figure the correct view to take is the one where you think it can challenge LT?
That makes sense Zop.
But just for fun, spoil what happens so we can match it up with what happens when the story comes out.
Zop's view of Gruenwalk's Starbrand is a joke and is a complete middle finger to its before and after history.
Originally posted by TornaticDifferent Hyperion. And Blue Marvel did not one shot Sentry. They got into a slugging match and punched each other a bunch. Then Sentry knocked Blue Marvel down and told him to give up before he got serious. Blue Marvel then sent him flying into orbit. The next page Sentry comes back and takes out Blue Marvel.
Hyperion way above BM? BM took out Hyperion with just a few hits you better check the history and Thor and Hulk would have a hell of time with BM. He one shot Sentry and blew iron man, ares, and wonder man off him like they were nothing once he got serious.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Thanks for the insider info.
You sure showed me.But just for fun, spoil what happens so we can match it up with what happens when the story comes out.
Zop's view of Gruenwalk's Starbrand is a joke and is a complete middle finger to its before and after history.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Just as I thought, you got nothing.
No need to lie zop.
I think you're the one who needs to keep telling yourself Hickman is ruining the character though.
Gruenwald picked it up and it was a major part of the the storyline in the Quasar comic he was penning. Starting from issue 31 all the way up to the end of the series, the Starbrand played some sort of role (even featuring a major event : Starblast). Gruenwald's Starbrand was around for a longer period of time than the original New Universe one.
Then came Untold Tales of the New Universe (no harm/foul here).
Then came New universal and the beginning of the end. That series was so sh|t it was canceled after 7 issues and the story never concluded. Hickman stupidly decided to continue this trash.
Originally posted by zopzopYour type of logic works for anything.Not lying. Just can't wait to rub it in.
Nah. Hickman is for sure phucking up the Starbrand. In the original series it was the most powerful thing in the New Universe. The original series ran for 19 or so issues then the entire New Universe line was canceled.
Gruenwald picked it up and it was a major part of the the storyline in the Quasar comic he was penning. Starting from issue 31 all the way up to the end of the series, the Starbrand played some sort of role (even featuring a major event : Starblast). Gruenwald's Starbrand was around for a longer period of time than the original New Universe one.
Then came Untold Tales of the New Universe (no harm/foul here).
Then came New universal and the beginning of the end. That series was so sh|t it was canceled after 7 issues and the story never concluded. Hickman stupidly decided to continue this trash. [/B]
The fact is, comics are very rarely spoiled at anytime nowadays, let alone weeks, months, or possibly years ahead of their scheduled time. The last time an event was spoiled, was like a day ahead of the end of WWH. So the only thing we're left with is that you're lying.
That tends to happen when you're like the only super powered being in the universe. Fact is, his best feat had to do with an asteroid, and a city wide blast. MULTIVERSAL!!!
Right, so what you're saying is that Gruenwald went against the character.
lol at talking about it being cancelled as a telling of quality though.