Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Sales =/= quality of the book.Phucking Age of Ultron is a best seller...
Sales may not equal quality of book, but sales = fan/customer satisfaction with the product right? Now sit back and think how much New Universal sucked that cr@p writing like CW and Age of Ultron are outselling it.
And with CW and AoU we can at least get a laugh out of it on the forums. New Universal is just..........sad.
Originally posted by zopzop
Are you trying to make my point for me?Sales may not equal quality of book, but sales = fan/customer satisfaction with the product right? Now sit back and think how much New Universal sucked that cr@p writing like CW and Age of Ultron are outselling it.
And with CW and AoU we can at least get a laugh out of it on the forums. New Universal is just..........sad.
I honestly fail to see how New Universal is any more horrific than either Chaos War or Age of Ultron. And I have more of a vested interest in the characters involved in Chaos War and AoU than New Universal.
Originally posted by zopzop
Are you trying to make my point for me?Sales may not equal quality of book, but sales = fan/customer satisfaction with the product right? Now sit back and think how much New Universal sucked that cr@p writing like CW and Age of Ultron are outselling it.
And with CW and AoU we can at least get a laugh out of it on the forums. New Universal is just..........sad.
No it doesn't, sales can be due to anything, but not always quality. AoU is written by one of Marvel's biggest writers and has been marketed as a huge deal, thus it's selling well. New Universal was not marketed in such a way, and is barely related to the MU, maybe a reason why it didn't sell well.
But seriously, just because you hate it due to Ellis' interpretation of Starheart doesn't mean it didn't sell because it was bad.
Anyway, as for the thread, Starheart ftw.
Originally posted by zopzop
Sales may not equal quality of book, but sales = fan/customer satisfaction with the product right? Now sit back and think how much New Universal sucked that cr@p writing like CW and Age of Ultron are outselling it.
A lot of thing you need to consider.
Such as marketing, what kind of characters are invested into the story and so on.
I can't tell whether you're purposely obtuse or just quarreling to be a little shit.
Originally posted by zopzop
That's the problem right here.There is no "past stories with the Brand". It, and the rest of the New Universe, was retconned by an @$$hole named Ellis in a series called "New Universal". The series was such crap that it didn't even make it to it's 8th issue and left the story hanging.
Another @$$hole, Hickman, instead of ignoring that trainwreck, decides to pick up where it left off!
So anything from the mid/late 80s Starbrand story, Gruenwald's run, and Untold Tales of the New Universe : Starbrand are gone.
As of now it (the Starbrand) grants Herald level durability and some moderate blasting powers but not much else.
The Surfer is an elite high Herald. He would be beaten down by Thor alone. Adding the Hulk, and Hyperion to the mix would turn him into a high grease spot. Starbrand is above the Herald tier.
Originally posted by ODG
In his return to the Marvel Universe after a long career of super-heroing, Blue Marvel fights a Mighty Avengers lineup of Sentry, Wonder Man, Ares, Iron Man, and Ms. Marvel. After an extended fight, Sentry divebombs him and Blue Marvel falls defeated and collapses into unconsciousness.In like the first five minutes of his existence, Starbrand fights an Avengers lineup of Thor, Hyperion, Hulk, Iron Man, Ms. Marvel, and Cap. After an extended fight, Hulk divebombs him and Starbrand is still alive and kicking and teleported away.
Hours later, Starbrand fights against a larger and more powerful Avengers group alongside a Nightmask, who doesn't seem to do too much. After an extended fight, Hulk/Hyperion/Thor all divebomb him simultaneously and Starbrand is simply knocked over and tells everyone to stop as he didn't want to fight in the first place and was holding back.
Somehow, Blue Marvel beats Starbrand????????
Do you have scans of the second fight.?
Originally posted by ODGLol I know what happened. I meant he one shot Sentry into space. To have that kind of explosive power along with energy projection, durability, and everything else he has BM is not some low herald. He's up there with the big guns.
Different Hyperion. And Blue Marvel did not one shot Sentry. They got into a slugging match and punched each other a bunch. Then Sentry knocked Blue Marvel down and told him to give up before he got serious. Blue Marvel then sent him flying into orbit. The next page Sentry comes back and takes out Blue Marvel.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...come on Zop...clearly above Herald level.
A) He, Starbrand, had help (Nightmask)
B) He did NO lasting damage (didn't even beat a SINGLE MEMBER of the Avengers lineup).
C) Displayed no versatility in his powers. He just has about high herald level durability and some moderately powerful energy blasts. He can't even fly, he just seems to hover.
To compare it to something else Hickman wrote : Just recently an alt reality Terrax (that infamous jobber) was tearing apart the Illuminati till Black Bolt sucker attacked him.
BM kicks his @ss.
Originally posted by zopzop
Carver, my friend.A) He, Starbrand, had help (Nightmask)
B) He did NO lasting damage (didn't even beat a SINGLE MEMBER of the Avengers lineup).
C) Displayed no versatility in his powers. He just has about high herald level durability and some moderately powerful energy blasts. He can't even fly, he just seems to hover.To compare it to something else Hickman wrote : Just recently an alt reality Terrax (that infamous jobber) was tearing apart the Illuminati till Black Bolt sucker attacked him.
BM kicks his @ss.
Yeah, Terrax wading through Beast, Reed, Black Panther and Iron Man and then losing once an actual high herald got involved is more impressive than Starbrand no selling Hulk, Thor and Hyperion's hits and having no lasting damage. 🙄
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Yeah, Terrax wading through Beast, Reed, Black Panther and Iron Man and then losing once an actual high herald got involved is more impressive than Starbrand no selling Hulk, Thor and Hyperion's hits and having no lasting damage. 🙄
I think that you may be on to something here. Zop is discounting the amount of PIS that is poured into comics to keep our favorite heroes from an early grave. The Brand is clearly meant to be above the Herald tier. I would give it High Trans at the very least. I like Adam but he loses here. He'd never be able to hurt a Brand user for one, which should tell us "all", everything that we need to know.
