Darth Maul, Savage Opress, Pre Vizsla, Bo-Katan vs Revan

Originally posted by Vensai
What feats of Revan make you think he is stronger than Maul?

- Revan played a pivotal role in the fall of a powerful Sith Empire; this accomplishment earned him the reputation of being a prodigy.

- Revan held his own against Vitiate (an avatar of the dark side) for a while.

You guys are so clueless about Revan that it is not even funny.

Originally posted by Vensai
The best feats he has off the top of my head are defeating a sith lord with her own lightning (and Maul doesn't tend to use lightning last time I checked)

Originally posted by Vensai
and beating Malak (who honestly isn't any higher on feats than Revan). What you think does not equal feats.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
First two are opinions, last is hyperbole.

Darth Nyriss: "He is powerful and extremely dangerous."

Is Nyriss lying too? She stated this before she even fought him. Yet she had a decent idea of what Revan was capable of.

In addition;

1. The Jedi's command of and connection to the Force was unlike anything Scourge had sensed in anyone else. Even though Revan was constantly drugged, it was impossible not to sense his strength. After years of studying him, Scourge had come to understand why the Jedi had such a fearsome reputation among the Sith. (SWTOR: Revan)

2. However, it was more than the Jedi's raw power that interested Scourge. Unlike all the instructors at the Academy, or even Nyriss herself, Revan had experienced both the light and dark sides of the Force. He had a unique perspective on its strengths and weaknesses, and Scourge was eager to learn from his experience. (SWTOR: Revan)

3. There was something unnerving about staring into the faceless mask; it made Revan seem more intimidating, more powerful. Or maybe Scourge just felt that way because he’d watched him destroy Nyriss. Whatever the reason, he was more confident than ever that he’d made the right choice. If anyone had the strength to stop the Emperor, it was this man. (SWTOR: Revan)

Do you think that Revan is all hype or does he actually have capabilities to complement his fearsome reputation?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I don't doubt that he's got a good understanding of the force and huehue, but Maul has ragdolled Kenobi, collapsed a cave, manhandled a big ship, hurled soldiers with force waves and whatnot.

However, for your easiness:

As far as feats are concerned, Revan did not found himself in a situation during which he had to exert to perform a feat of epic proportions. It is not in his nature to leave a trail of destruction in his path without a solid reason. Revan took steps that were adequate for his objectives. A powerful Sith may think differently in his shoes; powerful Sith often tend to leave a trail of destruction in their path to intimate their opponents/surroundings, but Revan thinks differently. You should not confuse lack of feats with lack of capability; their is a clear distinction between these two.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Simply too much for Revan to overcome.

Do you think that Maul holds a candle to likes of Vitiate; the latter will squash the former like a bug.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Agreed, like Scourge's and Surik's.

Have Anoon's apprentice witnessed his master in any battles or doing something serious? Because friendly sparring matches prove nothing.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Qui-Gon Jinn was one of the most able swordsmen in the Jedi order. The Jedi Master he had trained under had considered him one of the best the Master had taught in his more than four hundred years in the order. Qui-Gon had fought in conflicts all across the galaxy in the span of his life and against odds so great that many others would not have stood a chance. He had survived battles that had tested his skill and resolve in every conceivable way.
Maul was relatively better trained and more learned in the ways of the Force.

-The Phantom Menace

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Obi-Wan has dueling feats above Revan's. 🙂

Originally posted by Intrepid37
By redirecting the lightning with his hands, not a dueling feat really.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
As if Maul wouldn't. Malak sucks.

Repeating one of my previous arguments for you:

Malak was strong enough to rule a Sith Empire. This accomplishment alone is a representation of his great power and skill among the Sith. When it came to single combat, Malak defeated the trio of Revan, Bastilla and Onasi aboard his flagship Leviathan. Malak have demonstrated the capability to tool multiple opponents simultaneously on other occasions too.

You are clueless, unfortunately.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
He doesn't have the chance to assassinate Maul. 😉

Register this in your brain: Vitiate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maul

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Not really.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
And Maul isn't?

Darth Maul is one of the most highly trained Sith in the history of the order.

-Episode I Visual Dictionary

The present Sith Master, Darth Sidious is the diabolically brilliant mind behind training one of the most dangerous Sith apprentices in history: the deadly Darth Maul.

-Episode I Visual Dictionary

Bro, Sidious shaped Maul into an assassin. He never intended Maul to supersede him and make advancements in the dark side. Even Bandon was more learned in the ways of the Force then Maul.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Not really. Maul's cyber-legs combined with his physical strength allowed him to handle Opress' strength like it was nothing. Pretty sure that before Opress became a Sith he stones so they received dents, and after his amp Opress flung Dooku, Anakin and Obi-Wan across rooms, broke Battledroids.

As pointed out before, Revan packed immense raw power. He isn't going to be intimated by Maul's strength.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
So everybody is lying in your opinion?

Darth Nyriss: "He is powerful and extremely dangerous."

Is Nyriss lying too? She stated this before she even fought him. Yet she had a decent idea of what Revan was capable of.

In addition;

1. The Jedi's command of and connection to the Force was unlike anything Scourge had sensed in anyone else. Even though Revan was constantly drugged, it was impossible not to sense his strength. After years of studying him, Scourge had come to understand why the Jedi had such a fearsome reputation among the Sith. (SWTOR: Revan)

2. However, it was more than the Jedi's raw power that interested Scourge. Unlike all the instructors at the Academy, or even Nyriss herself, Revan had experienced both the light and dark sides of the Force. He had a unique perspective on its strengths and weaknesses, and Scourge was eager to learn from his experience. (SWTOR: Revan)

3. There was something unnerving about staring into the faceless mask; it made Revan seem more intimidating, more powerful. Or maybe Scourge just felt that way because he’d watched him destroy Nyriss. Whatever the reason, he was more confident than ever that he’d made the right choice. If anyone had the strength to stop the Emperor, it was this man. (SWTOR: Revan)

Do you think that Revan is all hype or does he actually have capabilities to complement his fearsome reputation?

Quit your double standards before you get ahead of yourself and your amusing arguments.

Do you think that Maul is all hype or does he actually have capabilities to completement his fearsome reputation?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Again, back to fancy shit. See my responses to members (SIDIOUS 66) and (Vensai) for a detailed counterargument in this aspect.

However, for your easiness:

As far as feats are concerned, Revan did not found himself in a situation during which he had to exert to perform a feat of epic proportions. It is not in his nature to leave a trail of destruction in his path without a solid reason. Revan took steps that were adequate for his objectives. A powerful Sith may think differently in his shoes; powerful Sith often tend to leave a trail of destruction in their path to intimate their opponents/surroundings, but Revan thinks differently. You should not confuse lack of feats with lack of capability; their is a clear distinction between these two.

So you want me to judge Revan by the fact that he's never needed to do good stuff but clearly can? You masturbate harder to Revan than Dooku to Sidious.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Baseless assumption. Only Vitiate was able to dominate Revan with his powers; nobody else.

Do you think that Maul holds a candle to likes of Vitiate; the latter will squash the former like a bug.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No! Revan's accomplishments were open book for his peers; for the entire Galaxy perhaps. People/Aliens knew what he was capable of.

Have Anoon's apprentice witnessed his master in any battles or doing something serious? Because friendly sparring matches prove nothing.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Brilliant! Now this is from the perspective of whom? Yoda? Which great battles were Jedi fighting prior to battle of Naboo?

It's not Yoda's perspective, christ. It's third pespective narration prior to his fight with Maul. The exact next line:

But on this day, he had met his match. The Sith Lord he battled with Obi-Wan was more than his equal in weapons training, and he had the advantage of being younger and stronger.

Maul controlling the fight against Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan at the same time alone puts Maul over Revan in swordmanship.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Questionable! With his blade, Revan successfully countered firepower of several Mandalorians from close distance; felled gigantic droids; cut a swath through large number of opponents; impaled very skilled duelists and vice versa.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It is a display of his immense raw power; much like Yoda's. Raw power makes difference in dueling too; Anakin rings any bells?

Again: Revan hasn't bladework on Maul's level, like it or not.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Malak doesn't sucks.

Repeating one of my previous arguments for you:

Malak was strong enough to rule a Sith Empire. This accomplishment alone is a representation of his great power and skill among the Sith. When it came to single combat, Malak defeated the trio of Revan, Bastilla and Onasi aboard his flagship Leviathan. Malak have demonstrated the capability to tool multiple opponents simultaneously on other occasions too.

You are clueless, unfortunately.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And you expect me to take this statement seriously? 🙄

Register this in your brain: Vitiate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maul

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Show me a comparable accomplishment from Maul then. Empty statements are not enough.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Yes, he so skilled that he does not knows how to use even lightning. 🙄

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Bro, Sidious shaped Maul into an assassin. He never intended Maul to supersede him and make advancements in the dark side. Even Bandon was more learned in the ways of the Force then Maul.

Apparantly you like to ignore canon evidence. He was an assassin, true, but fact remains that he was said to be one of the most dangerous and well trained Sith ever.

Oh, and:

a) Filoni's himself has said Maul is ''very well trained in all the ways of the Sith'' <- can't remember actual quote, he said it in an interview somewhere.

b) TCW Maul is even more powerful than his TPM-self:

Maul had grown more powerful since the last time he’d been in Sidious’s presence, before the Neimoidian invasion of Naboo had turned disastrous and Obi-Wan had bested him inside the Theed power core. His hermitage on Lotho Minor, his lessons on Unbara, his restoration by Mother Talzin, and his training of Savage had all strengthened him, made him a more worthy vessel for the dark side to fill with its power.

-Shadow Conspiracy

c) Maul is a master of Juyo which requires him to be a ''high-end master of multiple forms''.

Couple that with his feats of beating Qui-Gon, Bondara, Opress, fighting evenly with Obi-Wan, the quotes for being one of the most dangerous Sith in history, multiple ragdollings and other good force feats, it's pretty damn explicit.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Vader was cybernetic beast too, remember? Yet, powerful adversaries managed to handle him.

Either way, my point stands: Maul is far stronger physically.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
As pointed out before, Revan packed immense raw power. He isn't going to be intimated by Maul's strength.

Someone help me gain access to post links so you all have good evidence on the team's abilities

Get 20 posts before you can post links.

I see. Aside from that, continue your arguments--I'm extremely intrigued! And like I said before, don't center this entire thread on a battle between Maul and Revan--he has a team u know!

As for the thread, it's a complete mismatch. There's really no discussion, Revan gets utterly annihilated.

Honestly, the only ones that can take this team from the PT era is Plagueis, Sidious and Yoda.

What about Starkiller? He can take them too, can't he?

No. Maul and Opress are both better duelists and should take him on together, easier with Vizsla and the other guy.

I'm referring to the Clone--you know, the ones with 2x dualsaber prowess than Sidious. All I'd see is Sidious vs. Maul and Opress all over again--though Starkiller wouldn't waste time imo

Btw, Bo-Katan isn't a guy

2x dualsaber prowess than Sidious?

As per the encyclopedia, Starkiller was ''ultimately no match for the Emperor''. <- can't remember corect quote

That was Galen Marek, the non-clone. Starkiller was stronger than the original imo. Besides which, Galen had to show mercy, as it was part of the Jedi way, and then he had to sacrifice himself. If no worry of dishonor were a matter in his fight against the Emperor, I think he would've killed him.

Originally posted by Intrepid37

Quit your double standards before you get ahead of yourself and your amusing arguments.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Do you think that Maul is all hype or does he actually have capabilities to completement his fearsome reputation?

Originally posted by Intrepid37

So you want me to judge Revan by the fact that he's never needed to do good stuff but clearly can? You masturbate harder to Revan than Dooku to Sidious.

Nowhere during the events (covered by the novel) did Revan bring forth his maximum power on the table; not even during his confrontation with Vitiate.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Not really a baseless assumption. I have backed up my argument with clear force feats from canon sources, you have Scourge's and Surik's statement and then your opinion.

Nihilus have incredible feats and he lost to duo of Meetra and Visas.

Similarly, Kao have decent feats and he lost to (young) Malgus.

Similarly, Din have decent feats and he lost to Bengal Morr.

Getting the memo?

Maul is simply better explored in the mythos in the context of Force powers then Revan. However, given the reputation of latter, he is likely to put Maul to shame in a showdown of Force powers. To give you an idea; Revan could collapse a building if he really wanted to with his TK abilities, as per Drew Karpyshyn. The author envisions Revan as a "very powerful Jedi."

Heck, Revan is touted as the Jedi Order's strongest champion:

Though the Mandalorian fought valiantly, in the end he was no match for the Jedi Order’s most powerful champion. (SWTOR: Revan)

Originally posted by Intrepid37
You like to belittle the apprentice's statement but not Scourge's and Surik's because it suits your argument?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
It's not Yoda's perspective, christ. It's third pespective narration prior to his fight with Maul. The exact next line:

But on this day, he had met his match. The Sith Lord he battled with Obi-Wan was more than his equal in weapons training, and he had the advantage of being younger and stronger.

Maul controlling the fight against Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan at the same time alone puts Maul over Revan in swordmanship.

Revan cut a swath through Sith forces stationed aboard the Star Forge; is this not an extraordinary display of skill and power?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Killing Grievous,

Originally posted by Intrepid37
fighting even with Ventress and Maul, fighting even with Pre-Suit Darth Vader is above Revan.

Ahsoka have also fought Grievous and lived. Would you consider her on par with Obi-Wan now?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
How is it raw power to redirect lightning?

Revan's raw power in the Force bends Nyris's Sith lightning back at her, utterly destroying the Sith Lord. (Star Wars: The Essential Reader's Companion)

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Again: Revan hasn't bladework on Maul's level, like it or not.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Cool. Maul destroyed the Black Sun's best warriors, survived, what, months without food or water fighting assassin droids, build a criminal empire so that Sidious thought of him as ''a rival to be destroyed''.

Sidious regarded Maul as a rival because the latter was a logical threat to RoT and the former couldn't take chances.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Register this in your brain too: Vitiate>>Revan, Maul>Revan.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Already did. Dry your eyes and come back.

- Destroying Black Sun's warriors is comparable to destroying Sith forces stationed aboard Star Forge?

- Lasting months without food or water is comparable to enduring 300 years of torture without food and water?

What else?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
He never had an instance where he needed to use it, you know, like Revan has never needed to show his real powers!!11!

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Apparantly you like to ignore canon evidence. He was an assassin, true, but fact remains that he was said to be one of the most dangerous and well trained Sith ever.

If Maul is so well-versed in the dark arts, then why have he not been able to unleash some signature Sith powers that many powerful Sith have demonstrated?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Oh, and:

a) Filoni's himself has said Maul is ''very well trained in all the ways of the Sith'' <- can't remember actual quote, he said it in an interview somewhere.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
b) TCW Maul is even more powerful than his TPM-self:

Maul had grown more powerful since the last time he’d been in Sidious’s presence, before the Neimoidian invasion of Naboo had turned disastrous and Obi-Wan had bested him inside the Theed power core. His hermitage on Lotho Minor, his lessons on Unbara, his restoration by Mother Talzin, and his training of Savage had all strengthened him, made him a more worthy vessel for the dark side to fill with its power.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
-Shadow Conspiracy

c) Maul is a master of Juyo which requires him to be a ''high-end master of multiple forms''.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Couple that with his feats of beating Qui-Gon, Bondara, Opress, fighting evenly with Obi-Wan, the quotes for being one of the most dangerous Sith in history, multiple ragdollings and other good force feats, it's pretty damn explicit.

- Bondara fell due to the blast.

- Opress is not an expert swordsman.

- Obi-Wan isn't the top duelist of the Order.

- Hyperbole

- Feats based argument already addressed and put to rest.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Who have overpowered Vader by sheer physical strength?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Either way, my point stands: Maul is far stronger physically.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
You've proven jack shit.

Nah. I recall Vader stating that the clone had the same skills but also the same errors.

When he fought Sidious, he felt as if everything he'd done before was childish in comparison <-can't remember correct quote, and Sidious was completely unharmed after the explosion.

LOL The Revan-masturbater is back!!!!!!

Perhaps, but the Clone is better than the original in saber combat imo--particularly because of his duals. And even if he isn't as good as the Emperor, I still think he can equal the Maul bros

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
- Maul had clear win over Qui-Gon. And Qui-Gon have defeated/subdued any powerful opponent before?

He defeated Mace Windu once, though he wasn't at his peak. Still, if Qui-Gon had the time to reach his full potential--and he didn't, because of Darth Maul's prowess--then I could imagine him possibly defeating Mace again. Still, he didn't live that long

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
- Opress is not an expert swordsman.

Hah! Have you seen his incredible deflecting skills, and his man-handling of Adi Gallia?