Tormen ragdolls him when they're not fighting back. Of course a moderately powerful Jedi can ragdoll any non-force user. If they aren't unloading missiles at their face. You think Obi-Wan or Mace could have just ragdolled Jango while he was shooting at them?
The Champion has taken down not just moderately talented Jedi, but really powerful ones. Like Kellian Jarro who killed a hundred mando's at the battle of coruscant. You beat him and his padawan at the same time, despite the fact that you start the fight a meter apart. 'Certain circumstances' my ass, thats a step away from lightsaber range. And the guy clearly can ragdoll people since the codex mentions him doing just that.
I watched the cutscene with Jarro and was unimpressed. Nothing of the fight is revealed through anything other than game mechanics; when the cutscene resumes, Jarro is dead and his grieving padawan is shot in the face without raising a hand against Jarro's murderer.
I think we see plenty of Force users, Jedi and Sith alike, across a number of eras fail to properly utilize the Force against enemies easily felled by it for dramatic purposes. I'm sure that a non-Force sensitive can unleash enough firepower to disorient and distract a Force user long enough to kill them, but I'm thinking Jinn, a Jedi Master of some repute, is likely to be quicker than a Forceless bounty hunter and can apply the omnidirectional Force to secure victory.
Unless you wanna script this thing, I'm going with Jinn, just as I would any truly talented Force user.
Um, yeah. Its a game. You fight him as a game. And its an MMO, so no cutscene fights except for really big ones. You need to look past it and apply logic to the fights, obviously.
You'd also think that Kellian Jarro or the Jedi Orders Battlemaster, both Jedi Masters of some repute, would be quicker than a Forceless bounty hunter. Except he killed them.
Oh can he? When has Jinn used the force to take out an opponent.... ever? When has he shown to be capable of omnidirectional force waves powerful enough to take out a heavily armored combatant? Try never.
If anything, you're the one scripting this. You keep going on about how Jinn will just own him with the Force without actually critically analysing the fight. Well I can just as easily claim the Champion shoves a heat-seeking missile up his ass. The fact that the Champion has beaten at least 3 Master-level Force Users and fought through a freaking Jedi Enclave indicates that he can handle the Force.
Lol, is that just going to be your get-out-of-jail-free card for whenever you can't think of a response to my points from now on?
More feats for the Hunter:
Killed Akure, the Ghost in the Darkness. Akure killed every mandalorian sent against it. Various conversations indicate this figure to be really high and that they weren't noob mando's either. Picture of it here since theres not one on Torhead.
Defeated a Republic Strike team responsible for defeating and killing
Spoiler:The fact that the Hunter defeated them indicates that they're better than all 3 of those people put together.
Jewl'a Nightbringer, The Defenestrator and Bloodworthy, the previous Great Hunt Champions.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Lol, is that just going to be your get-out-of-jail-free card for whenever you can't think of a response to my points from now on?
Not at all.
You've pretty much defeated the purpose of a debate with you since your confession that you'll simply conceal, twist, and lie in order to "win." This confirms it.
Not to mention the fact that when other people use your tactics, you invariably throw epic e-tantrums. 😬
I haven't concealed, lied or twisted anything in this thread. So I'm not sure what you're throwing a b*tch-fit over.
How so? I don't see why we can't debate these things. We're just having fun debates here, not seeking out objective truth or fighting a court-battle over a mans life. ****ing Star Wars debates isn't as serious business as you make it out to be.
No, I don't. I only dislike it when you attempt to lecture me. Jesus, when did you get so goddamn self-righteous?
Originally posted by Nephthys
I haven't concealed, lied or twisted anything in this thread. So I'm not sure what you're throwing a b*tch-fit over.
I'm gauging how committed you are to deception.
Originally posted by Nephthys
How so? I don't see why we can't debate these things. We're just having fun debates here, not seeking out objective truth or fighting a court-battle over a mans life. ****ing Star Wars debates isn't as serious business as you make it out to be.
You don't see why we can't debate these things when you permeate "these things" with dishonesty? 😐
Actually, you're the one making this into a court battle, which characteristically involve the manipulation of evidence and context to facilitate a favored outcome.
As far as this "serious business" is concerned... you're the guy who used to throw genuine fits when I didn't accept the Joker as an objectively l33t bad guy. Let's dispense with pretense here. facepalm
This is about incentive. This is meant to be a fun battle of wits, not a child's exercise of deceit and clumsy manipulation.
I'm not sure how you're not getting how dishonesty in a debate represents a problem.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No, I don't. I only dislike it when you attempt to lecture me. Jesus, when did you get so goddamn self-righteous?
I'm Christian, bro.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'm gauging how committed you are to deception.
I'd think it would be obvious given how upfront I'm being about the whole thing.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
You don't see why we can't debate these things when you permeate "these things" with dishonesty? 😐Actually, you're the one making this into a court battle, which characteristically involve the manipulation of evidence and context to facilitate a favored outcome.
As far as this "serious business" is concerned... you're the guy who used to throw genuine fits when I didn't accept the Joker as an objectively l33t bad guy. Let's dispense with pretense here. facepalm
This is about incentive. This is meant to be a fun battle of wits, not a child's exercise of deceit and clumsy manipulation.
I'm not sure how you're not getting how dishonesty in a debate represents a problem.
Sure, because its fun to debate like its a mock court battle. But its not like actual lives are at stake or that I'm committing some great sin by not telling you things that would really screw up my argument.
Oh please, I got pissed at you because you were obviously baiting, insulting and being disrespectful to me. Excuse me for reacting when my friends acting like a cock towards me. Sorry I have feelings and actually care about you bro.
How can it be a fun battle of wits if we're upfront about everything and never get creative with the facts? Twisting things to your favor is what a battle of wits is all about! And its not like you never do it mr 'the temple collapsed in on itself'. Nr 'force nexuses render any feat obselete anywhere else.' Mr....... 'dumbbutt' (you are a butt that is dumb).
Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'm Christian, bro.
Even Jesus would tell you you're acting like a condescending douche.
I'm so worried that you'll refuse to talk to me now that you know the secret of my dark heart.
Hold me like you did on Naboo, and tell me everything will go back to the way it was. When it was just us and I can't remember how this ****ing quote goes like. Promise me we'll always be together or something!
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'd think it would be obvious given how upfront I'm being about the whole thing.
Which, again, makes your askance as to why I'm less inclined to debate you more bewildering.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Sure, because its fun to debate like its a mock court battle.
You just whined about me making these things like a court battle. 😐
Originally posted by Nephthys
But its not like actual lives are at stake or that I'm committing some great sin by not telling you things that would really screw up my argument.
Lives aren't at stake. But you have a history of nerd!rage and hurt feelings as much as anyone here; how many times have you exuded frustration at people not accepting your interpretation of things? Lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots....
What you're telling me is that it is acceptable for you to be dishonest, but you absolutely despise it when others do it to you.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh please, I got pissed at you because you were obviously baiting, insulting and being disrespectful to me. Excuse me for reacting when my friends acting like a cock towards me. Sorry I have feelings and actually care about you bro.
Right, so disagreeing with you or picking on you is a problem, but a friend who deliberately lies in a friendly debate isn't a problem?
Originally posted by Nephthys
How can it be a fun battle of wits if we're upfront about everything and never get creative with the facts? Twisting things to your favor is what a battle of wits is all about!
But... you're not creative. I give you a quote you don't like and you write it off entirely but if someone doesn't accept your preferred speculation, you go apeshit. 😬
Originally posted by Nephthys
And its not like you never do it mr 'the temple collapsed in on itself'. Nr 'force nexuses render any feat obselete anywhere else.' Mr....... 'dumbbutt' (you are a butt that is dumb).
Oh please. The dark nexus argument, besides being perfectly valid, is one I apply to everyone, no matter who the character involved is. I'm the one who argues that Sidious's defeat of Luke on Byss is suspect precisely because it took place on a dark side nexus.
The difference is that you cherrypick.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Even Jesus would tell you you're acting like a condescending douche.
Rather be a condescending douche who's right (me) than a hypocritical douche who's wrong (you).
And fat.
And English.
Also you.
