The X-Men Vs Loki

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I've seen Enchantress no-sell and laugh at Xavier. Loki also used his magic to augment a mutant to the most powerful mutant -telepath- on the planet. Emma would probably be outmatched.

Magneto's shield has been shown to stop various forms of physical energy but keeping Loki out? I think it would be a challenge directly:
He has easily gotten through Galactus' barrier for example, his Astral Form alone almost easily broke Strange's Eye of Agamatto barrier, reversed the polarity of Sue Storm's force field.

And how would Magnus keep Loki's magic out? Usually I'd support Magneto's defenses but he faces a being even more plot device like powers here.

yea i wasnt aware his magic would be able to break down things like strange or sue storms force field that is def some seriously powerful stuff i may have to rethink my mags vs loki argument if hes overpowering shields like that mags would be on par maybe a little less powerful as far as shields go i would have thought eric could keep most of loki's physical and magical attacks out while he barrages him with anything metal

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I've seen Enchantress no-sell and laugh at Xavier. Loki also used his magic to augment a mutant to the most powerful mutant -telepath- on the planet. Emma would probably be outmatched.

ah yes, i recall the enchantress scene. was there more to it? i wonder if there is a little PIS at work there. did they face each other again? maybe i'm wrong but it feels like there was more. not sure i'd ever pick amora over chuck. amora vs enchantress would be hella entertaining i'd wager.

Magneto's shield has been shown to stop various forms of physical energy but keeping Loki out? I think it would be a challenge directly:
He has easily gotten through Galactus' barrier for example, his Astral Form alone almost easily broke Strange's Eye of Agamatto barrier, reversed the polarity of Sue Storm's force field.

And how would Magnus keep Loki's magic out? Usually I'd support Magneto's defenses but he faces a being even more plot device like powers here.

an astral attack may work, but it hasn't proven very effective for chuck in the past, so not sure. and i'm not really going to debate this because i think you're right about the plot device nature of loki's powers and i've already said i think loki would take a good majority. his ability in a book to whip up something new makes it tough to make a strong case for mags.

in his defense though, his shields ALSO seem to be plot driven much of the time. it's even kept out teleporters in the past. he's also had a battle with the defenders in the past, and his powers were effective against strange in those early days, though they didn't have too much direct interaction. like i said, i think the easier case can be made for loki in a 1on1 battle with mags, but i can see mag's own plot device shields working against some stuff that maybe it shouldn't. i still think he's capable of taking some from loki and in a book i think it would be a fun fight to watch.

Magneto no sold Ghost rider's hellfire and there was another instance where his shield no sold magic.

Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
really? hows loki damaging mags? hes getting thru this shields hes not his brother

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Loki just b1tched out Erik's shields like he did Invisible Woman's (albeit with more effort as he effortlessly punked Susan's).

I mean, Loki could just turn Magneto's helmet into a goddamn wooden bucket and then proceed to assault him telepathically. Hell, Loki can assault people from across dimensions. He doesn't even have to be near Magneto at all to engage him directly.

Conversely, I don't what Magneto could reliably do to Loki considering Loki's powerset makes him effectively a low-level reality warper.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Loki just b1tched out Erik's shields like he did Invisible Woman's (albeit with more effort as he effortlessly punked Susan's).

I mean, Loki could just turn Magneto's helmet into a goddamn wooden bucket and then proceed to assault him telepathically. Hell, Loki can assault people from across dimensions. He doesn't even have to be near Magneto at all to engage him directly.

Conversely, I don't what Magneto could reliably do to Loki considering Loki's powerset makes him effectively a low-level reality warper.

which is why i said on average. loki's powers CAN be plot driven, but in a comic he wouldn't be attacking from asgard (he couldn't here anyway). he very well could by-pass mag's shields, but i could also see his shields protecting him. no one that i can think of has ever just no-sold his shields, including doom in a couple confrontations. i think we need to be careful not to go full forum-loki. and there is no need to because his usual methods would give him a good majority here i think, but like i said, imo mags has the feats to indicate he could take some in a 1on1 battle. add in the rest of the xmen and i think the team would certainly make loki work very hard for most of his wins.

Loki can already read Magneto's mind from miles away with his helmet on
http://i39.tinypic.com/2u9jntz.jpg

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Loki can already read Magneto's mind from miles away with his helmet on
http://i39.tinypic.com/2u9jntz.jpg

Lol, wow. I didn't even know that existed until now.

Yeah, Magneto's kinda phucked.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Loki can already read Magneto's mind from miles away with his helmet on
http://i39.tinypic.com/2u9jntz.jpg

Damn, pretty impressive just penetrating Magneto's psychic defenses so easily and casually. And without him noticing.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Lol, wow. I didn't even know that existed until now.

Yeah, Magneto's kinda phucked.

Loki is def a top of the line dooder.

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I'll have to reread it myself. That feat should definitely be added to Loki's respect thread.

Originally posted by leonidas
ah yes, i recall the enchantress scene. was there more to it? i wonder if there is a little PIS at work there. did they face each other again? maybe i'm wrong but it feels like there was more. not sure i'd ever pick amora over chuck. amora vs enchantress would be hella entertaining i'd wager.

I don't remember all the details, the feats are probably in her respect thread. I don't believe they have. Well you should definitely consider it based on their meeting lol. Amora has some crazy feats under her belt.

Originally posted by leonidas
an astral attack may work, but it hasn't proven very effective for chuck in the past, so not sure. and i'm not really going to debate this because i think you're right about the plot device nature of loki's powers and i've already said i think loki would take a good majority. his ability in a book to whip up something new makes it tough to make a strong case for mags.

in his defense though, his shields ALSO seem to be plot driven much of the time. it's even kept out teleporters in the past. he's also had a battle with the defenders in the past, and his powers were effective against strange in those early days, though they didn't have too much direct interaction. like i said, i think the easier case can be made for loki in a 1on1 battle with mags, but i can see mag's own plot device shields working against some stuff that maybe it shouldn't. i still think he's capable of taking some from loki and in a book i think it would be a fun fight to watch.

No I meant, Loki almost broke through Strange's defenses while in Astral Form. In that form, Loki only has a fraction of his full might, which makes it particularly impressive. Not sure how Magneto would go about stopping an Astral attack by Loki.

I remember him knocking out Strange with a magnetic wave by surprise, but that doesn't really mean much. Alright, fair enough I guess.

I can definitely see Magneto giving Loki a fight but I can just as well see him getting owned. Due to his mystical side at least.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
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I'll have to reread it myself. That feat should definitely be added to Loki's respect thread.

He also laughed off the Controller's disc, and Red Skull was all like "****"

Makes it even more crazy for what Apoc did.

Magnus wins

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Loki can already read Magneto's mind from miles away with his helmet on
http://i39.tinypic.com/2u9jntz.jpg

i'd forgotten acts of vengeance. i really liked that arc though i found the conclusion pretty meh. my fave was the kingpin/red skull fight.

anyway, it's an impressive feat but like i said, i don't think it would be an easy win for loki and with his shields up it might be a different thing altogether.

Colossus and Magneto are going to be a problem, wolverine will keep getting back up causing distractions and im sure he can cut or injure Loki with his claws. Iceman will have little effect on him since he is a frost giant by birth, I dont think emma could do anything really she would just sit there looking pretty.

Colossus is a non-factor, and Wolverine is pretty much f*cked because he's facing someone who can rape his metal just as badly as Magneto can.

Magneto is the only real problem, and he still loses more often then not.

Originally posted by Supra
Colossus and Magneto are going to be a problem, wolverine will keep getting back up causing distractions and im sure he can cut or injure Loki with his claws. Iceman will have little effect on him since he is a frost giant by birth, I dont think emma could do anything really she would just sit there looking pretty.

Originally posted by ODG
Loki's already one-shotted Colossus with a casual finger blast:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiBlastPower04UXMAnnual9.jpg

ok cool thanks for the scan

How do you thinnk will he kill Wolverine?

If he can take down logan, erik and colossus then loki wins.

^ This thread isn't to the death. If it were, Loki'd just shapeshift into Iron Fist and fist him to death then.

Originally posted by ODG
^ This thread isn't to the death. If it were, Loki'd just shapeshift into Iron Fist and fist him to death then.

I must have missed it saying it was not to the death.