Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Still don't see how he's going to make a magnetic field that can hold SH. What's he gonna do, rub his hands together for some static electricity then poof, SH is held in place... I mean seriously? Like I said. Where is the application of this move?
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's exactly what he did against swamp thing and that black hole.
2nd, He didn't trap ST at all when he started rubbing his hands together dit it? He theorized it can hold him by copying wut Lex did. What happened when ST moved at the speed of light?
3rd, Supes already was already holding the black hole in his hands before he started rubbing his hands together. If you can convince me how SH would just stand there in place and in close proximity to Supes while he starts making static electricity, uve got something.
4th, Why even bring up that scan when in case u didn't notice, Supes had the aid of a magnetic GL construct to help "corral it into a field"? I mean wtf are u really arguing here?
I may be me missing something or not informed enough of what else Supe's "rubbing of hands" has done, but ure really just trying to sell us fantasy. Pure fantasy. Where is the application? Where is the possible circumstance? In the end where is the proof?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, that makes starhawk a better energy manipulator. I didn't say otherwise anywhere. However I can see superman trapping him in an electro-magnetic field which he wouldn't be able to escape.
That doesn't follow though: By nature of being a better energy manipulator, Starhawk would have more control over the electromagnetic energy than would Superman.
Either way, the tactic is pointless, Starhawk moves faster than EM energy does and EM fields don't absorb light, meaning SH could, literally, pass through the field effortlessly.
And just to point out again, Swamp Thing was able to escape Superman's field because he had the properties of light, your scans proving my point nicely.
Ah ok gotcha.
Supes has feats of using this relatively limited power set to overcome characters that are seemingly tailor made to beat him (EM spectrum manipulators, dudes with ridiculous TK and TP et al) and the like. He also has instances of succumbing to said foes with plot powers.
Based on his showings against Thor and Hollywood, physically Starhawk definitely has the chin to take Superman's average/usual shit. It's when the dials go up that he'd be in trouble imo. If we mix in his speed and his "self awareness" ability where he can see future and past events related to himself combined with his light based powers he could give Clark hell. In a comic it'd go something like, SH defeats Supes in the initial encounter by some manipulation or another which catches Supes off guard. Then in round two, a better prepared Supes comes back and KO's Starhawk or some such. You know how superhero comics go.
In a forum however it's a bit more tricky for me. One of those cases where Supes has the overwhelming advantage in "battleboard porn" (feats, showings etc) but Starhawk has a unique power set advantage that kind of throws a monkey wrench in it and makes it more interesting then some people will acknowledge.
That said, at the end of the day Clark has the advantage in 2 of the 3 most important forum categories and it's hard to give Starhawk a forum win based on power set alone, which is where his sole advantage is. Superman 7/10. But he feels the pain of each and every one of those 10 at the end of the day.
Why can't Superman blitz the **** out of Starhawk again?
He is some vague amount above lightspeed in flight--(something about lightspeed+ acceleration against Pathbreaker robots), whereas Superman is clear cut able to move and think within femtoseconds (or less) as if they were normal seconds to him--(if you can move your fist 12 inches during a femtosecond, it is effectively moving over 1 million times faster than light), and Starhawk is less than clear cut in that case in outright reflexes, as his feats are limited by his limited appearances.
Superman can casually match Professor Zoom in speed after getting annoyed. Starhawk has little on that I imagine.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Why can't Superman blitz the **** out of Starhawk again?He is some vague amount above lightspeed in flight--(something about lightspeed+ acceleration against Pathbreaker robots), whereas Superman is clear cut able to move and think within femtoseconds (or less) as if they were normal seconds to him--(if you can move your fist 12 inches during a femtosecond, it is effectively moving over 1 million times faster than light), and Starhawk is less than clear cut in that case in outright reflexes, as his feats are limited by his limited appearances.
Superman can casually match Professor Zoom in speed after getting annoyed. Starhawk has little on that I imagine.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
u referring to that time he warned some chick with a force field?
Something like "u have a femtosecond to blah blah etc.."
No.
I mean events like him treating a mere fraction of a nanosecond as if they were entire minutes or something, and being able to measure time in between nanoseconds.
There's also in Superman Grounded, where he caught Barry Allen ---who was going so fast that he was building entire kryptonian landscapes/Cities/Towns/Costumes over a city in Colorado in mere seconds. In that same book, Barry bragged about seeing things in attoseconds (which is even more ridiculous, and hence I settled with the middle ground of femtseconds) or less, and Superman still outright matched his perception speed. ~Professor Zoom is on the same level as Barry, on top of being a time manipulator as is, and Superman effortlessly tagged him, Prof Zoom then commended Superman's speed as being comparable to his own, and then Superman reversed a speed vortex from Zoom during that same fight.
It does not say specifically, but Barry's feat in Colorado is quantifiably greater than Wally's feat of saving people from a nuke (which was calc'd at trillions of times faster than light by someone).
But we do have Barry giving a time-frame for his reflexes in that same book, which he stated as ~attoseconds, and Superman still matched his perception speed while trying to catch him while he was out of control and building/knitting all that stuff, and when they were in the diner eating pie and shit.
Its quantifiable, being that we are given a figure for reflexes in the book, know the size of the city, number of buildings etc and its greater than any speed feat Starhawk has in his resume.
Funny you should say something about hyperbole, as Starhawk's work still falls flat in that regard.
The best thing he has is breaking some robot after accelerating to lightspeed 'instantly', which is extremely vague and no reason whatsoever to claim a speed parity with the likes of Superman.
We have no idea of how fast the robot's could actually respond and thus what their threshold for speed was.