Starhawk vs Superman

I remember it well, as I just saw it again before making that post.

The robot attacked Starhawk while he was going at some undefined speed, and then Starhawk dodged after accelerating to lightspeed 'instantly' and then compounding his speed even more and broke said pathbreaker. This was all in one page, in like 3 or 4 panels.

We have no clue how fast the Pathbreaker can react because simply being able to attack something while you're moving at a comparable speed is not indicative of anything. If I punch a guy that's driving a car at 100 mph after I catch up to him while driving 105 mph myself, that says nothing great about my punching speed, as the relative speed difference is not much, just as it would not be if we were simply running, or even centered in one spot. A human does not have mach speeds for being able shoot on a sonic jet that's in front of them while they're in a jet going the same speed too.

Yeah I doubt speed will be a problem for Shawk. He's jumped into lightspeed instantly and even "compounded it geometrically" as how the comic stated.

Define 'instantly'. This is a vague term that is liberally used in fiction all over and its interpretation can mean anything from a literal instant (usually more concretely stated) to only fractions of a second.

His feat against the Pathbreaker, even if we assume he was making a u-turn at a 100 times the speed of light to crash into it, is still nowhere close to Superman's best speed and reflex feats.

would you let me in on these feats where it is stated, on panel, that superman is going that fast?

EDIT: defining "instant" is certainly less vague than trying to calculate speed based on the artist's rendition of something unquantified. By that precedent, every street-level character that has dodged a bullet has legit faster than sound reflexes and should be creating sonic-booms as they move. You can't apply real world science to comics that directly, or you get nonsense.

What do you mean something unquantifiable? In the case of Superman, he is the one between the two actually being given explicit time-frames for his feats, explicit figures for reflexes in comparison to others. Superman is given quantifiable distances, and fairly explicit time frames for his feats, that's quantifiable.

Usage of the word 'instant' is vague, and thus cannot be used by you to indicate parity of speed for Starhawk vs Superman, especially as the latter has his own scenes being defined as 'instantly' or what have you.

The street-leveler thing is a red herring. Its just a trope for the tier that is not to be taken seriously and cannot be seriously entered as quantifiable speed feats except for a few cases, and its not like other writers haven't tried to explain those showings as aim-dodging either.

From what I see, you basically don't want to enter a situation of trying to quantify speed feats because Superman, being a character who has immensely more showings than Starhawk, is going to win hands down. This is reason enough in your case to try to just hand-wave any difference by assuming a parity through vague showings that leave a lot of questions, simply because you can still reach a conclusion that 'he's very fast, so lets just assume Superman won't win on that front'. Sorry, but while that mindset works fine in a comic fight, in a forum setting Superman's speed feats utterly trump Starhawk's.

Originally posted by Oliver North
would you let me in on these feats where it is stated, on panel, that superman is going that fast?

Since you want to get into specific calculations, lets revisit your earlier post.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
No.

I mean events like him treating a mere fraction of a nanosecond as if they were entire minutes or something, and being able to measure time in between nanoseconds.

There's also in Superman Grounded, where he caught Barry Allen ---who was going so fast that he was building entire kryptonian landscapes/Cities/Towns/Costumes over a city in Colorado in mere seconds. In that same book, Barry bragged about seeing things in attoseconds (which is even more ridiculous, and hence I settled with the middle ground of femtseconds) or less, and Superman still outright matched his perception speed. ~Professor Zoom is on the same level as Barry, on top of being a time manipulator as is, and Superman effortlessly tagged him, Prof Zoom then commended Superman's speed as being comparable to his own, and then Superman reversed a speed vortex from Zoom during that same fight.

Were they perceiving things in attoseconds?

How fast was Zoom going when he was tagged?

I have to be honest, of all the things I would have never guessed this thread would be about, energy manip and speed... jeez...

Inimalist, I'll get back to you with scans soon.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Since you want to get into specific calculations, lets revisit your earlier post.

How fast was Barry going exactly when Supes caught up with him?

Were they perceiving things in attoseconds?

How fast was Zoom going when he was tagged?

There's two ways you can go about this.

You can either go by the explicit statement of Barry's stated reflexes/percepttion speed as being attoseconds or less in the same book--the book where Superman matched Barry's reflexes/perception speed three times, (while catching him while he was messing with the cityscape, while they both split the work in half to repair the city back to normal, and while time was stated to be frozen to them while they were eating and talking in the diner.) or you can try to independently quantify the exact city changing feat by researching the size of the city, extrapolating the number of pedestrians out an average day etc and come to a reflex figure of your own. It's far, far above lightspeed by the way.

Either way, you have a situation where Starhawk's feats don't match up.

He has no attosecond feats, and he has zero practical speed feats to suggest he can do something as complex as build Kryptonian structures around an entire city--and then undo them and redo them again to account for newer age architecture through their many years of advancement, paint each structure to accuracy, knit individual costumes for every single pedestrian on the street, and then clothe each individual person with said costumes--all in a time frame of a few seconds.

As for the Professor Zoom thing? This is much more simple than you're trying to make it. Zoom made no such statement like "Good job Superman, you matched my speed and reflexes while I toned them down to 1%!" or something or another. No, he was categorically stated by Zoom to be as comparably fast period. Professor Zoom and Barry are at least peers in speed. Both have speeds that Starhawk cannot touch, and Starhawk has not been compared favorably in speed to anyone that might either, and yet Superman has compared well to both of them, with feats and statements.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Inimalist

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Originally posted by Oliver North
would you let me in on these feats where it is stated, on panel, that superman is going that fast?

EDIT: defining "instant" is certainly less vague than trying to calculate speed based on the artist's rendition of something unquantified. By that precedent, every street-level character that has dodged a bullet has legit faster than sound reflexes and should be creating sonic-booms as they move. You can't apply real world science to comics that directly, or you get nonsense.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
There's two ways you can go about this.

You can either go by the explicit statement of Barry's stated reflexes/percepttion speed as being attoseconds or less in the same book--the book where Superman matched Barry's reflexes/perception speed three times, (while catching him while he was messing with the cityscape, while they both split the work in half to repair the city back to normal, and while time was stated to be frozen to them while they were eating and talking in the diner.) or you can try to independently quantify the exact city changing feat by researching the size of the city, extrapolating the number of pedestrians out an average day etc and come to a reflex figure of your own. It's far, far above lightspeed by the way.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I agree completely with the last part. You can't pick and choose when to apply real world science.

so, this goes back to what I was saying about Comet not remembering the SH feat properly. I'm just going to post the scan here:

There are two important things to note here, the speed being "compound geometrically" and "multi-erg velocity". Going by real science, this actually makes Starhawks speed infinite. Let me explain.

Something being effected geometrically means it increases by some value, either linearly or to some exponent, though an exponent of 2 is the only one that really makes sense in this case. Dont worry, this part isn't really important. The compound thing is. When you compound the change to a value, you aren't just increasing it. It means that, the more you increase it, the more it is able to be increased.

So, think of interest. If I own 100 dollars at 5% interest, my first payment is $5. If it is compound interest, instead of my second interest payment also being $5, it is 5% of 105, the next being 5% of (105+5%), and the next payment being 5% of that total, increasing each time. So, at whatever geometric value Starhawk is increasing his velocity at, in fact, it produces even greater increases in speed. This type of acceleration is going to put Starhawk at several times the speed of light in a few iterations, and at hundreds and thousands of times only moments after that.

Additionally, if we look at the "Multi-erg velocity" statement. ERG is a unit of energy, not a unit of speed. Basically, this means SH is moving so fast that he is generating, rather than consuming, energy, and violating the second law of thermodynamics.

Now, in my mind this is hyperbole that suggests Starhawk can move several times the speed of light. If we want to be pedantic, the argument that it means Starhawk is infinitely fast is much less of an inference than is anything involving Superman constructing houses. But like Quanch said, you can't apply science like this. Writers and artists can't and shouldn't be held to peer review standard when doing this stuff, and it is up to us to have some eye for the nuance involved.

That's a pretty sweet feat.

👆 agreed, its from the last issue of the GotG run, and Starhawk was just showing some real power. It's sad the character really hasn't been returned to.

Lmao @ "I simply jumped to instant lightspeed". Like it was as casual as just hopping in his car and going to the store or something lol.

CC is to speed what Mr Master is to arguing Eternity vs Infinity. He loves that shit lol.

Originally posted by Oliver North

Apologies for getting back to you so late, but it was necessary. I also read through all 62 issues of Volume 1 of GoTG in-between that time.

I'm sorry, but I described it accurately, I did not forget the 'geometric' compounding, if that's what you were implying, its simply that's it not particularly potent a factor without expounding.
Furthermore, you are simply flat out inaccurate on a few suppositions here.

Geometric compounding, tells us next to nothing without an initial percentage rate, and secondly, an interval of time by which it is compounding. Is it every second? Every nanosecond? By an initial 1%? 0.0002%? What is it?

As for inaccuracies, no, that does not imply 'infinite speed'. What it could imply is a speed limit that tends towards infinity on a graph, with continued acceleration, but to state it means such a thing is simply a no-limits fallacy. Why? Because you'd have to assume that he can indefinitely increase his speed in such a fashion. There's is no such reason to assume this. On the other hand, you yourself claim you are not treating it as such, and are just chalking it up as hyperbole, but in that case, why even mention it then? Was that supposed to be some surprise trump card to stymie a speed debate by implying the feat is unstoppable if interpreted a certain way with certain assumptions? Sorry, but that's completely falls flat. It's not what it could be for reasons already stated; no proof of indefinite acceleration in this geometrically compounding fashion, and it invokes a no limits fallacy to propose it, and then even in the own scan it does not imply anything resembling 'infinite speed' either. Afterall, if we're being pedantic, infinite speed would mean there is no passage of time at all while traveling a distance. There certainly is a passage of time in the scan itself, afterall, the robot has time to try and scan. And the scanning itself would not be particularly potent. Why? Because that robot failed to hit Starhawk from nearby when he accelerated to lightspeed, meaning that generic lazer is not lightspeed itself. If the scanners can process so much faster than its own weapons can fire, that leads to a huge latency issue where its not going to be very effective at hitting fast stuff. Also, regarding the scanning, I know you claimed before that it detected Starhawk prior to that while he was moving faster than light to get to where he was going (Vesper), in order to be able to say that Starhawk then put on so much speed that he then easily evaded FTL scanners from even a short distance away but that’s just untrue. Here:

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Firstly, as we see there, it never attacked Starhawk while he was moving. Starhawk reached the orbit of planet Vesper, stopped to ponder the significance of his travel since he’s looking for his mother Kismet on said planet, and while he’s stationary and pondering, then he is attacked from behind by the Pathbreaker, which is already a sentry stationed near orbit of Vesper anyway.

(--Regarding ‘erg’, its already known that it has nothing to do with speed, and thus is irrelevant to the particularly topic, so I won’t really be touching on that-- Its used several times in volume 1, e.g. describe situations of people using every last 'erg of power' or what have you for a particular effort. Starhawk already produces energy as is via his power set, so this is not a revelation that tells us anything useful.--)

Furthermore, even though you’ve taken up this coy, non-committal “I’m not saying its this, but its this” type of stance, I know in a past thread you mentioned this feat and accompanied it with the description that he was ‘increasing his speed with no limit implied.' I’m paraphrasing, but I know you said that. But this is completely false going by the same book, not just by what I mentioned before, but what happened just pages before the Pathbreaker first showed up. He went from the opening of the white room, to the planet Vesper, and as the narration said he was pushing his speed to its utter limits ‘and beyond’, and then he reaches Vesper, and as the narration box says, it was ‘a short time later’. There you have it, he went as fast as he could possibly go, demonstrating an actual limit, and there was a passage of time. Nothing resembling ‘infinite speed’ here my friend.

So as for the claim of this feat having less things to infer than Superman rebuilding cities or some other, that is false. You and I have no idea of the time frame of the scene itself—seconds, fractions of a second? What is it? Or the frequency of time by which it compounds. Or the initial percentage rate. All in all, we’re giving too much attention to a feat that only amounts to ramming a robot after accelerating to lightspeed, and then exceeding that. Despite it being more wordy than the usual space speed scenes, its actually not any more detailed as we are given no figures beyond a known base whatsoever. I’m giving his top speed in that scene at generously 100x lightspeed, and that’s in a scene where the only concrete terms are lightspeed itself. That can’t be considered lowballing when I’m giving him 100x more than the only concrete speed stated. It’s a short distance as well, and I know he and other, faster marvel space farers have gone much faster than that in longer distances, so 100x lightspeed is more than fair. Further proof that 100x lightspeed for that vague scene is more than generous enough, is seen if we go back to just a couple of issues before that one. In vol 1, # 60, Stakar ends up finding an injured Norrin Radd, who is The Keeper in this timeline, heals him and he ended up receiving the Quantam Bands and then took off before Norrin could take them back.

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As (fake) Eon claims there, Starhawk was flying away at three times the speed of light. This was a massively amped Starhawk since he had the quantum bands, and it was in a much more serious situation since he was trying to get away from the Silver Surfer/Keeper and (fake) Eon and go to the Abrogate to find out about his dad Quasar, and wasn’t just simply ramming into a generic robot of no importance that he knew posed no threat once he took a shot from it. It was also towards a much greater distance than when he easily broke said pathbreaker robot, as he stayed near the orbit of the planet Vesper during that, and thus had much less time and space for any great acceleration.

So yeah, no, that vague feat cannot be termed as anymore than the generous figure of 100x lightspeed, as all of the evidence suggests it to be significantly less than that. And as such, is not even remotely good enough to be used as evidence to term Starhawk as an equal to Superman in speed.

This commonly posted feat from Superman, is already as great or greater than that Pathbreaker scene for Starhawk;
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Superman crosses hundreds, possibly a thousand feet, before another energy discharge/explosion can go off in a nanosecond, and seeing as light only has time to travel one foot in a nanosecond, we know that Superman is going hundreds to possibly a thousand+ times faster than light here in this very scene. What’s more than that, we know it’s a good reflex feat as well, since he doesn’t just fly in a straight line really fast, he’s specifically able to count down mentally to that nanosecond, meaning it’s a significant measure of time to him. On the other hand for Starhawk? http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/5649/guardiansofthegalaxy620.jpg
In the same scene that he toys with the pathbreaker in, he taunts the machine and asks it if it really ever thought for even a –nanosecond- (which Starhawk gives emphasis as seen by the bold) that it could defeat him. That tells us that a nanosecond is what Starhawk considers a significantly short enough time to him for the statement to have significant impact in relaying (to the reader) the sheer absurdity that he felt regarding the robot’s chances. We certainly can’t take the prior used ‘instant’ to mean anything serious in Starhawk’s usage of the word, since there was clear passage of time in that Pathbreaker scene during supposed ‘instant’ of acceleration and ramming, and because the term ‘instant’ is liberally used in that entire GoTG volume, even one of the other members of GoTG, Talon, was proudly boasting about how he could shoot out his claws and then regrow/reload them ‘in an instant’. So that word isn’t worth much salt by itself. We can take nanosecond at best to assume the meaning of Starhawk’s particular usage of ‘instant’, since that was an actual word he used during this same Pathbreaker scene to emphasize quick a passage of time in unit form.

If we really want to be pedantic, lets talk more about reflexes (which is a combination of how fast you perceive and how fast you move) for a second. Starhawk is no stranger to being hit, and what’s more, the only times he has any reflex feats worth mentioning are when he’s actually in flight mode, in such cases he brags about outracing light beams and such, but outside of that? Pretty much non-existent. The closest thing to a decent motor-speed feat he has that I can think of is when Aleta was in full control of the Starhawk powers, and she traded a punch with Loki, which collided and was stated to cause a shockwave—and that said shockwave was described as ‘sub-sonic’ only. He had a grounded fight with Thor in which he pleaded that they both should fight without holding back physically so that they could topple the building around them and break the control on their bodies. He and Thor traded punches at comparable speeds, and there was nothing super-speed about that fight, as we can see the rubble has time to fall around them, so gravity is still going fast enough relative to them to register. This was while they both agreed to not hold back, so they were hitting as hard and as fast as they could. He’s also had a kick landed on him by Mantis and she dodged one of his punches too. So he has no motor function speed feats of note, and the only reflex feats of note he has come from the perception speed side of the equation from when he’s flying. Afterall, his flight is not muscle related, so if he dodges while flying it has nothing to do with his motor function being fast, simply his perception speed being fast enough to see and then him shifting his body mid-flight with whatever medium controls it. (Telekinesis, Energy Manip, Mystism etc. whatever we wish to term it as) What’s more, in the scene with him geometrically compounding his movement speed, naturally the same has to apply to his perception speed, or his own movement is going to be too fast for him to control in such a close distance. Superman on the other hand requires no such factors for his super-speed to be in full effect. It’s literally an instantaneous dial. If one wants to talk about the notion of ‘infinite speed’, then its much easier to argue that for Superman’s case than Starhawk’s. Why? Superman has casually speeded himself up through outright time-stop. At least a few times. Here’s a couple.

Here with Wave Rider. He’s in a room with others, all of a sudden time stops with no warning and Superman’s body and brain instantaneously speed up to match the sudden change.

And then here with Dead-Man and a disembodied Hal Jordan:

With the latter, its called a fraction of a nanosecond so small as to describe it as an instant of time-suspended. Dead Man says its time suspension and that it has no effect on him due to his being dead in the first place, yet Clark could casually negate it with his speed and act as if its normal time to him the way a human does for regular real-time seconds. Even if we were to assume its not an actual time stop, and just a real small fraction of a nanosecond, like a femtosecond, Superman still being able to move his arm by even a foot in a femtosecond would make his arm move at over a million times faster than light, seeing as a femtosecond is only just enough time for light to move 0.3 micrometers. What’s more than that, that would still be majorly low-balling because even if we assumed that was a femtosecond, it still feels like an extended period of time to him in that scene, as he has time to walk, fiddle around with his glasses, and talk at length, and listen in on everything Dead-man and Hal were saying before he started his bit.

Starhawk cannot beat Superman in pure speed in a forum fight where they fight to their best. He simply cannot. Superman would be able to mentally already start at max super-speed with no caveats, close the distance immediately before Starhawk can take off or do anything, and then ko him quickly. Starhawk does not have the feats to suggest he can compare with Superman’s hand-speed, and thus he’s not going to be returning a single punch before he goes down.

All this aside and on a slightly different note, I must say I’ve come to like Starhawk quite a bit from my readings. He’s cryptic, mostly tries his best to be stoic and logical, but has moments of big emotional outbursts, he’s a tortured soul whose life seems devoid of joy and seems fruitless, with its cyclical nature of constantly going back to a stage of infancy to grow up into a new incarnation every time. He’s also capable of great empathy and compassion, such as when talked to a distressed Yondu and persuaded him to calm down and meditate with him while speaking of the divine plan Yondu’s god Anthos has for him, showing much knowledge of the customs and genuine respect for Centauri native faith. I must say I truly enjoyed that scene, probably because I like Yondu very much as well. I CANNOT f-ucking stand Stakar’s extreme ***** of an ex-wife however. She’s an ungrateful, contradictory, vapid, shallow, and seemingly opportunistic whore, and somehow Starhawk still puts up with her and tries his best to wish her well in her pursuit of happiness. So yeah, I like Starhawk and his struggles, but the dude seems to have a shady record which I didn’t so much like. He got owned by a blast from Taserface, he was losing to Thor (and admitted that he might die), he lost to Hollywood extremely quickly, The 31st century Ghost Rider rammed the hell out of him with his bike, the Abrogate easily ‘killed’ him even while he had the Quantum Bands on top of his own Hawk God based power, when his step sister/wife Aleta had the sole Starhawk power she lost to Loki fairly definitively in a fair fight, and Norrin Radd beat him too, even while he had the Quantum Bands and Norrin had just lost them. Hell his stupid wife Aleta temporarily beat him to take over the Starhawk powers at one point.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
If we really want to be pedantic, lets talk more about reflexes (which is a combination of how fast you perceive and how fast you move) for a second. Starhawk is no stranger to being hit, and what’s more, the only times he has any reflex feats worth mentioning are when he’s actually in flight mode, in such cases he brags about outracing light beams and such, but outside of that? Pretty much non-existent. The closest thing to a decent motor-speed feat he has that I can think of is when Aleta was in full control of the Starhawk powers, and she traded a punch with Loki, which collided and was stated to cause a shockwave—and that said shockwave was described as ‘sub-sonic’ only. He had a grounded fight with Thor in which he pleaded that they both should fight without holding back physically so that they could topple the building around them and break the control on their bodies. He and Thor traded punches at comparable speeds, and there was nothing super-speed about that fight, as we can see the rubble has time to fall around them, so gravity is still going fast enough relative to them to register. This was while they both agreed to not hold back, so they were hitting as hard and as fast as they could. He’s also had a kick landed on him by Mantis and she dodged one of his punches too. So he has no motor function speed feats of note, and the only reflex feats of note he has come from the perception speed side of the equation from when he’s flying. Afterall, his flight is not muscle related, so if he dodges while flying it has nothing to do with his motor function being fast, simply his perception speed being fast enough to see and then him shifting his body mid-flight with whatever medium controls it. (Telekinesis, Energy Manip, Mystism etc. whatever we wish to term it as) What’s more, in the scene with him geometrically compounding his movement speed, naturally the same has to apply to his perception speed, or his own movement is going to be too fast for him to control in such a close distance. Superman on the other hand requires no such factors for his super-speed to be in full effect. It’s literally an instantaneous dial. If one wants to talk about the notion of ‘infinite speed’, then its much easier to argue that for Superman’s case than Starhawk’s. Why? Superman has casually speeded himself up through outright time-stop. At least a few times. Here’s a couple.

Here with Wave Rider. He’s in a room with others, all of a sudden time stops with no warning and Superman’s body and brain instantaneously speed up to match the sudden change.

And then here with Dead-Man and a disembodied Hal Jordan:

With the latter, its called a fraction of a nanosecond so small as to describe it as an instant of time-suspended. Dead Man says its time suspension and that it has no effect on him due to his being dead in the first place, yet Clark could casually negate it with his speed and act as if its normal time to him the way a human does for regular real-time seconds. Even if we were to assume its not an actual time stop, and just a real small fraction of a nanosecond, like a femtosecond, Superman still being able to move his arm by even a foot in a femtosecond would make his arm move at over a million times faster than light, seeing as a femtosecond is only just enough time for light to move 0.3 micrometers. What’s more than that, that would still be majorly low-balling because even if we assumed that was a femtosecond, it still feels like an extended period of time to him in that scene, as he has time to walk, fiddle around with his glasses, and talk at length, and listen in on everything Dead-man and Hal were saying before he started his bit.

Starhawk cannot beat Superman in pure speed in a forum fight where they fight to their best. He simply cannot. Superman would be able to mentally already start at max super-speed with no caveats, close the distance immediately before Starhawk can take off or do anything, and then ko him quickly. Starhawk does not have the feats to suggest he can compare with Superman’s hand-speed, and thus he’s not going to be returning a single punch before he goes down.

All this aside and on a slightly different note, I must say I’ve come to like Starhawk quite a bit from my readings. He’s cryptic, mostly tries his best to be stoic and logical, but has moments of big emotional outbursts, he’s a tortured soul whose life seems devoid of joy and seems fruitless, with its cyclical nature of constantly going back to a stage of infancy to grow up into a new incarnation every time. He’s also capable of great empathy and compassion, such as when talked to a distressed Yondu and persuaded him to calm down and meditate with him while speaking of the divine plan Yondu’s god Anthos has for him, showing much knowledge of the customs and genuine respect for Centauri native faith. I must say I truly enjoyed that scene, probably because I like Yondu very much as well. I CANNOT f-ucking stand Stakar’s extreme ***** of an ex-wife however. She’s an ungrateful, contradictory, vapid, shallow, and seemingly opportunistic whore, and somehow Starhawk still puts up with her and tries his best to wish her well in her pursuit of happiness. So yeah, I like Starhawk and his struggles, but the dude seems to have a shady record which I didn’t so much like. He got owned by a blast from Taserface, he was losing to Thor (and admitted that he might die), he lost to Hollywood extremely quickly, The 31st century Ghost Rider rammed the hell out of him with his bike, the Abrogate easily ‘killed’ him even while he had the Quantum Bands on top of his own Hawk God based power, when his step sister/wife Aleta had the sole Starhawk power she lost to Loki fairly definitively in a fair fight, and Norrin Radd beat him too, even while he had the Quantum Bands and Norrin had just lost them. Hell his stupid wife Aleta temporarily beat him to take over the Starhawk powers at one point.

Smh... @ dropping Infinite Mass Essays.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
All this aside and on a slightly different note, I must say I’ve come to like Starhawk quite a bit from my readings. He’s cryptic, mostly tries his best to be stoic and logical, but has moments of big emotional outbursts, he’s a tortured soul whose life seems devoid of joy and seems fruitless, with its cyclical nature of constantly going back to a stage of infancy to grow up into a new incarnation every time. He’s also capable of great empathy and compassion, such as when talked to a distressed Yondu and persuaded him to calm down and meditate with him while speaking of the divine plan Yondu’s god Anthos has for him, showing much knowledge of the customs and genuine respect for Centauri native faith. I must say I truly enjoyed that scene, probably because I like Yondu very much as well. I CANNOT f-ucking stand Stakar’s extreme ***** of an ex-wife however. She’s an ungrateful, contradictory, vapid, shallow, and seemingly opportunistic whore, and somehow Starhawk still puts up with her and tries his best to wish her well in her pursuit of happiness. So yeah, I like Starhawk and his struggles, but the dude seems to have a shady record which I didn’t so much like. He got owned by a blast from Taserface, he was losing to Thor (and admitted that he might die), he lost to Hollywood extremely quickly, The 31st century Ghost Rider rammed the hell out of him with his bike, the Abrogate easily ‘killed’ him even while he had the Quantum Bands on top of his own Hawk God based power, when his step sister/wife Aleta had the sole Starhawk power she lost to Loki fairly definitively in a fair fight, and Norrin Radd beat him too, even while he had the Quantum Bands and Norrin had just lost them. Hell his stupid wife Aleta temporarily beat him to take over the Starhawk powers at one point.

Omg... Is it just me or did you just try to play some jedi-mind-trickery with this duplicitous response..? 😆
"I love the character cause he's so blah blah blah, but..."

Lol, u made it too obvious when u added a little too much lowballery in-between a few legit shortcomings...