classic doc gets his sh!t pushed in, easily, by the immortal version of hercules. depowered herc--the one who battled hulk--would be a much closer contest, and herc would def take some of those. have no idea who samson unleashed is, but i'd need to see some damn uber feats to think he could beat herc at his best.
Originally posted by leonidas
classic doc gets his sh!t pushed in, easily, by the immortal version of hercules. depowered herc--the one who battled hulk--would be a much closer contest, and herc would def take some of those. have no idea who samson unleashed is, but i'd need to see some damn uber feats to think he could beat herc at his best.
So no, he wouldn't get his sh|t pushed in vs Immortal Herc. He'd lose but he'd give Herc hell.
Doc Samson Unleashed would definitely take some wins vs Immortal Herc.
lol seriously? samson didn't give anyone a 'hard time' in that arc. they weren't even trying to go at him! he was trying to break them up. no one cared about samson. that showing was less than meaningless. hulk has crushed samson on multiple occasions, so again, a decent showing here or there is meaningless. samson has several pi$$ poor showings to go along with the odd decent showing he has. he is a low cl100 who had his head handed to him by ben grimm. he would make herc work for a couple of fights. the rest, a pi$$ed off herc would literally destroy him, as would any true uber cl100 character. samson wouldn't take even 1/10.
still haven't seen any feats from this uber samson you're talking about.
Originally posted by leonidas
lol seriously? samson didn't give anyone a 'hard time' in that arc. they weren't even trying to go at him! he was trying to break them up. no one cared about samson. that showing was less than meaningless. hulk has crushed samson on multiple occasions, so again, a decent showing here or there is meaningless. samson has several pi$$ poor showings to go along with the odd decent showing he has. he is a low cl100 who had his head handed to him by ben grimm. he would make herc work for a couple of fights. the rest, a pi$$ed off herc would literally destroy him, as would any true uber cl100 character. samson wouldn't take even 1/10.
When did Grimm beat Samson?
still haven't seen any feats from this uber samson you're talking about.
Originally posted by zopzopThat same Mindless Hulk that took the ENTIRE roster of West And East Coast Avengers (which included Herc) to take down was stalemated for HOURS by Doc Samson.
that hulk got continually stronger until.....he didn't, right near the end. and herc was going 1on1 with him for prolonged lengths of time as well.
When did Grimm beat Samson?
in grimm's own short-lived book. samson is low cl100. at best. unless he received some amp i'm unaware of.
Page 3 of Samson's respect thread :
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t399059.html [/B]
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i see nothing there except him getting rag dolled by a warrior hulk, then having a flashback to him getting rag dolled by normal, savage hulk. which was sort of the norm. i'm not sure if you're seriously overestimating samson, or lowballing herc. this ends with herc 10/10 with only the beating varying in degree. from rag doll-esque to perhaps an average scrap.
lol damn, even in his own respect thread a battle of him vs RHINO is there. and in that fight he couldn't even ko RHINO! lol he actually feared for his life in that fight. c'mon zop, you gotta be sh!ttin me here....
Originally posted by leonidas
that hulk got continually stronger until.....he didn't, right near the end. and herc was going 1on1 with him for prolonged lengths of time as well.
Doc stalemated Mindless Hulk for HOURS and caused him to hit his limit and WEAKEN by the time the Avengers showed up.
in grimm's own short-lived book. samson is low cl100. at best. unless he received some amp i'm unaware of.
😕i see nothing there except him getting rag dolled by a warrior hulk, then having a flashback to him getting rag dolled by normal, savage hulk. which was sort of the norm. i'm not sure if you're seriously overestimating samson, or lowballing herc. this ends with herc 10/10 with only the beating varying in degree. from rag doll-esque to perhaps an average scrap.
lol damn, even in his own respect thread a battle of him vs RHINO is there. and in that fight he couldn't even ko RHINO! lol he actually feared for his life in that fight. c'mon zop, you gotta be sh!ttin me here....
Originally posted by zopzopWrong. That Hulk hit his limit vs Doc Samson and even got weaker! The Avengers Teams were facing off against a weakened and weakening Hulk (Doc even says this to Captain America when they were discussing whether they should kill Hulk or capture him) and even then it took two ENTIRE TEAMS of them to down him.
hulk was weakening by the end. where does it say hulk reached a limit against samson again...? and regardless, it doesn't matter. one high feat doesn't a career make. he's been crushed hulk hulk, many times. hell, even ironman knows he has only a fraction of hulk's strength--he also admits that he only tossed those guys aside because they were winded from their fight. and again, no one even wanted to fight samson. you say 2 entire teams like it means something. there were only a couple guys who mattered in that fight at all, the rest were fodder and tried staying out of the way.
Doc stalemated Mindless Hulk for HOURS and caused him to hit his limit and WEAKEN by the time the Avengers showed up.
it was also a shared feat as he had the hulkbuster team backing him up. he was basically a punching bag the second part of that fight. decent durability feat, but....so what? you're really trying to take his one good feat to turn him into something he wasn't. at all. he is that rhino/thing level guy. maybe stronger, but less skilled, far less warrior mentality. he stands no chance here, or against any high cl100 foe.
Sorry but I need to see this in context. Scan or at least issue? I need to see a pic of Samson (because his hair length determines his strength. This was stated on panel and confirmed in the handbooks).
well....good luck with that. i do think samson was controlled though in that fight, i'd have to recheck. not that it would matter. ben would beat him regardless. open a thread and find opinions for yourself.
Rag Dolled? He killed a "Warrior Hulk" that had been trained in various forms of martial arts. He also stated that he wasn't in his right mind when fighting Hulk in the past and he learned his lesson, then he proceeds to wreck the Warrior Hulk. [/B]
he did win ultimately, but was getting slaughtered. he went nuts and won. so, what feats did this warrior hulk have to gauge by again? it's in character for him to fight like a thinking guy. that's why he left the hero game to begin with. if he goes all 'mad man' he is still severely out strengthed, outskilled and also, very likely out berserkered. not sure how you even begin to justify taking a single showing to mean anything. especially when you're uber showing is a shared feat to begin with.
Originally posted by leonidas
hulk was weakening by the end. where does it say hulk reached a limit against samson again...? and regardless, it doesn't matter. one high feat doesn't a career make. he's been crushed hulk hulk, many times. hell, even ironman knows he has only a fraction of hulk's strength--he also admits that he only tossed those guys aside because they were winded from their fight. and again, no one even wanted to fight samson. you say 2 entire teams like it means something. there were only a couple guys who mattered in that fight at all, the rest were fodder and tried staying out of the way.
And here it is :
He hit his peak fighting Samson and got weaker, yet it took two entire TEAMS of Avengers (Herc was included) PLUS She Hulk to down Hulk.
it was also a shared feat as he had the hulkbuster team backing him up. he was basically a punching bag the second part of that fight. decent durability feat, but....so what? you're really trying to take his one good feat to turn him into something he wasn't. at all. he is that rhino/thing level guy. maybe stronger, but less skilled, far less warrior mentality. he stands no chance here, or against any high cl100 foe.
well....good luck with that. i do think samson was controlled though in that fight, i'd have to recheck. not that it would matter. ben would beat him regardless. open a thread and find opinions for yourself.
he did win ultimately, but was getting slaughtered. he went nuts and won. so, what feats did this warrior hulk have to gauge by again? it's in character for him to fight like a thinking guy. that's why he left the hero game to begin with. if he goes all 'mad man' he is still severely out strengthed, outskilled and also, very likely out berserkered. not sure how you even begin to justify taking a single showing to mean anything. especially when you're uber showing is a shared feat to begin with.
EDIT to make sure we talking about the same fight.
Originally posted by zopzopWinded eh? Well Samson was nursing a BROKEN HAND. Which is more of a handicap? Not to mention there were FOUR of them vs only him. Hercules clocked him and Samson was still standing, despite the fact that he had Iron Man and Simon and Namor restraining him while he ate that punch from Herc.
lol
and? NO ONE WANTED TO FIGHT SAMSON. ANY of the 4 of them would whip samson's arse. seriously?
And here it is :
He hit his peak fighting Samson and got weaker, yet it took two entire TEAMS of Avengers (Herc was included) PLUS She Hulk to down Hulk.
cool. he ALSO said that hulk wasn't even able to KILL him somehow. so he was weak even as he fought samson. whatever. the avengers were also trying to restrain hulk, not kill him. until wwh herc had NEVER been beaten by hulk. ever. samson has been crushed by hulk multiple times. hell, even in one of your scans the reporter brings up all his losses and that he hopes the hulkbusters will turn the tide.
He was stalemating him for 6 hours before the Hulkbusters showed up. The fight I'm referring to took place in IH 317.
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So basically this means nothing since we don't have the fight in context. Then why bring it up?
i looked up the fight and turns out it was NOT samson, it was actually she-hulk ben fought. so, yeah, forget about it. ben WOULD beat samson though....
No, he was overthinking the fight. When he put his foot down, Warrior Hulk died.EDIT to make sure we talking about the same fight. [/B]
and? feats for this nameless hulk?
i was gonna post herc feats and scrounge up some of samson's crappy a$$ showings, but.....i really can't be bothered getting worked up about this. frankly i'm stunned that you think a high meta guy can take herc out somehow, based on a showing against a no-name, one-off character, and a good endurance showing against hulk, but, whatever.
herc is FAR stronger, and he's never lost to hulk where samson has multiple times. herc>samson in every way.
herc 10/10
Originally posted by leonidas
loland? NO ONE WANTED TO FIGHT SAMSON. ANY of the 4 of them would whip samson's arse. seriously?
cool. he ALSO said that hulk wasn't even able to KILL him somehow. so he was weak even as he fought samson. whatever. the avengers were also trying to restrain hulk, not kill him. until wwh herc had NEVER been beaten by hulk. ever. samson has been crushed by hulk multiple times. hell, even in one of your scans the reporter brings up all his losses and that he hopes the hulkbusters will turn the tide.
i looked up the fight and turns out it was NOT samson, it was actually she-hulk ben fought. so, yeah, forget about it. ben WOULD beat samson though....
and? feats for this nameless hulk?i was gonna post herc feats and scrounge up some of samson's crappy a$$ showings, but.....i really can't be bothered getting worked up about this. frankly i'm stunned that you think a high meta guy can take herc out somehow, based on a showing against a no-name, one-off character, and a good endurance showing against hulk, but, whatever.
herc is FAR stronger, and he's never lost to hulk where samson has multiple times. herc>samson in every way.
herc 10/10
Originally posted by zopzopYeah and I can post low showings of Hulk getting choked out by a snake and losing to Machine Man. Thor being knocked out by a bullet. Etc...But that doesn't prove anything does it? [/B]
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yeah, it does actually. IF most of their careers were spent getting ko'd by snakes and bullets.
you have ONE feat to point to and you want to use that feat to elevate DOC SAMSON to what, mid herald?? LOW herald?? yeah, bring that up the next time the tier threads are discussed and see how that goes. classic colossus? ben grim? rhino? (i'd give both peter and ben a solid majority over samson as well though, and we saw the trouble he had with....rhino....) those guys are in his league strength-wise. hercules is the guy who one shot ktfo's abomination. you backed yourself into a corner by taking this silly stance as if his one time, career high battle erases all his previous showings, and now, instead of cutting your losses you keep on. this is ridiculous even by your own, at times, less than stellar standards. this could almost be closed for spite.
L.O.L.
Originally posted by leonidas
lolyeah, it does actually. IF most of their careers were spent getting ko'd by snakes and bullets.
you have ONE feat to point to and you want to use that feat to elevate DOC SAMSON to what, mid herald?? LOW herald?? yeah, bring that up the next time the tier threads are discussed and see how that goes. classic colossus? ben grim? rhino? (i'd give both peter and ben a solid majority over samson as well though, and we saw the trouble he had with....rhino....) those guys are in his league strength-wise. hercules is the guy who one shot ktfo's abomination. you backed yourself into a corner by taking this silly stance as if his one time, career high battle erases all his previous showings, and now, instead of cutting your losses you keep on. this is ridiculous even by your own, at times, less than stellar standards. this could almost be closed for spite.
L.O.L.
Fine, whatever. 🙄