Originally posted by zopzop
So I've given you examples of Samson holding his own before being overwhelmed vs Savage Hulk (and much later explaining why he lost those fights) on multiple occasions, I give you examples of him tussling with powerful opponents and more than holding his own, I give you examples of why I believe Herc doesn't stomp Samson and all you got is "LOL"?Fine, whatever. 🙄
you blatantly highball then roll your eyes at me? lol
no, you've given ONE example of his best ever showing and one feat against an opponent who HAS no feats (other than to be beaten by samson.....odg probably has some cool latin name for that type of reasoning.)
thing has held his own better than samson against hulk. colossus has flat out done better. MORTAL herc has done as well! holding your own, putting up a fight, doesn't mean anything, especially regarding hulk who's strength is all over the place and against a person who, deep down, bruce actually cared a little bit about.
anyway, your blatant highballing aside, /thread
Originally posted by leonidas
you blatantly highball then roll your eyes at me? lolno, you've given ONE example of his best ever showing and one feat against an opponent who HAS no feats (other than to be beaten by samson.....odg probably has some cool latin name for that type of reasoning.)
thing has held his own better than samson against hulk. colossus has flat out done better. MORTAL herc has done as well! holding your own, putting up a fight, doesn't mean anything, especially regarding hulk who's strength is all over the place and against a person who, deep down, bruce actually cared a little bit about.anyway, your blatant highballing aside, /thread
Yes Hulk is all over the place. That's why the Classic Samson vs Hulk showings were important. Samson fought vs an enrage Savage and MINDLESS Hulk (you know the guy it took TWO TEAMS of Avengers PLUS She-Hulk to put down).
Originally posted by ODG
Sampson has lost to every single Hulk incarnation there is.
Including getting his a$$ beat by Gray Hulk.
Immortal Hercules has stalemated Savage Hulk twice.
Lasted longer against WWH than Doc did.
Originally posted by zopzopYes, Sampson got his a$$ beat by every Hulk incarnation and there are, indeed, scans showing thus.
Those losses were explained by Samson, scans in the Respect Thread.The same Gray Hulk that was taking on an entire Team of Avengers?
When was this?
Good for him, a high showing for Herc.
Who hasn't?
In the two fights that they've had.
A higher showing than Doc Sampson. 👆
Originally posted by ODG
Yes, Sampson got his a$$ beat by every Hulk incarnation and there are, indeed, scans showing thus.
Who hasn't?
In the two fights that they've had.
A higher showing than Doc Sampson. 👆
Originally posted by zopzopBecause Sampson was outmatched every time, yes. And his near-death at the hands of some fodder Rulked-out soldier (that A-Bomb and Skaar were dealing with en masse) isn't improving his position.
Yes and there was an explanation for that.Herc?
Yes but which? I'm genuinely curious. The only times I can recall Herc facing off vs the Hulk is when he had a team backing him up. First time was during the Mindless Hulk arc and he had the Avengers with him, second time was during the Prof. Hulk era and again he had the Avengers with him (which included Sersi, Crystal, and Vision) and Hulk was being mind controlled by Mentallo.
I didn't dispute this. Just said it's a high showing for him.
You'd be wrong on that. I suppose your question mark proves you were only accidentally ignorant.
The first time they ever met in the 60s, and the other time when Savage Hulk accidentally invaded Olympus.
A higher showing than Doc Sampson managed, yes.
Originally posted by ODG
Because Sampson was outmatched every time, yes. And his near-death at the hands of some fodder Rulked-out soldier (that A-Bomb and Skaar were dealing with en masse) isn't improving his position.
You'd be wrong on that.
I suppose your question mark proves you were only accidentally ignorant.
Originally posted by zopzopSampson's character statements don't change him getting his a$$ beat by every Hulk there ever was. Nor excuse his near-death at the hands of some fodder Rulked-out soldier.
And the writer, through Samson's monologue with himself, explained those losses.When did Herc fight the Avengers?
And here we go again. 🙄
If you're trying to convince me you know next to nothing about Hercules, you've succeeded. Hercules has fought two Avengers teams at different times.
And somehow it's not your fault. We get it.
Originally posted by ODG
Sampson's character statements don't change him getting his a$$ beat by every Hulk there ever was. Nor excuse his near-death at the hands of some fodder Rulked-out soldier.
Hercules has fought two Avengers teams at different times.
Originally posted by zopzopCharacter statements don't change that Doc Sampson has gotten his a$$ beat by every single Hulk there ever was. Not when those character statements are made while Doc Sampson was nearly beaten to death by a fodder Rulked-out soldier who himself was wracked with pain. I don't think you've thought this through at all.
Actually, yes it does. That was the whole point of it.Yes, I'm asking when and what was the lineup?
And clearly you haven't read enough Hercules. It should have been obvious from the start how uninformed you are about him. My fault for assuming otherwise and extending a pointless conversation. And now that I think of it, he's actually fought the Avengers three times.
Originally posted by zopzopThose losses were explained by Samson, scans in the Respect Thread.
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Just because Leonard tells himself, in an inner monologue, that he should've beaten the Hulk, it doesn't make it a fact. I could come up with a theory that I could beat Floyd Mayweather in a boxing fight, if I used a certain strategy. It won't alter the fact that, however I tried to fight him, I would be knocked out inside of 10 seconds.
Originally posted by SevenShackles
Not sure if this matters but I intended this to be long haired 'bad' doc Samson as in during all that Intelligencia mess. Long hair = more power so figured it was one of his stronger incarnations.
You are too right my friend, we need to get back on topic. In his evil "Samson" form Leonard is more powerful than his classic Doc Samson form. If Herc is in his Immortal from I reckon he still takes a majority though.