^did you see the definition of the omniverse?
http://i.imgur.com/DjiO6yA.jpg?1
correct me if im wrong but doesn't it state that it includes every universe,realm, etc... mentioned by marvel? so why are you posting a facepalm when the evidence is on my side?
in his first appearance (strange tales #158) he wasn't even mentioned to be operating on a mulitversal scale.
notice that strange says judge of the infinite cosmos (even no mention of the multiverse) i dont think the multiverse was even mentioned in that issue, granted i flipped through the pages pretty quickly
http://i.imgur.com/U8jcwf3.jpg
him being multiversal was only mentioned in his 3rd apperance (i believe though i could be wrong) in Rom #41, and LT is mentioned as being multiversal:
http://i.imgur.com/SnhYOvF.jpg
nowhere before SW was it mentioned that he operated on a megaversal scale (unless you could prove it of course)
i have that issue, it's from what if the avenger had become pawns of korvac (#32) here's the full scan:
http://i.imgur.com/iZtU4Ye.jpg
1. and what if comics are non canon
2. LT saying "by the omniversal constant" doesn't prove that he operates on an omniversal scale, c'mon you know that.
^^, "non-canon?" ... That's funny, when the issue is referenced in the LT's bio.
(it's canon to the LT)
You want the "Omniverse" mentioned in a 1983 Handbook too? Cause I can do that. 🙂
Anyway, still waiting on the on panel or bio statement which
suggests the LT's power was boosted/upgraded or whatever other fantasy.
Originally posted by operator616^did you see the definition of the omniverse?
http://i.imgur.com/DjiO6yA.jpg?1
correct me if im wrong
Now, back to Marvel Comics:
1. Omniverse
2. TOAA
1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"
2. The entity believed to be the Supreme being/Creator of the Omniverse"
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Btw. On Panel evidence agrees 100% with this bio:
"Reality ... Brian came to realize the size and breadth of Reality,
he learned of the Omniverse and its unending alternatives,
Alternative Realities ...
the Omniverse is the collection of All those possibilities"
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Is this just on panel and updated handbook talk?
Nah, the Marvel Omniverse has been illustrated many times,
I could swarm the page but I'm sure this will suffice:
"Behold Crosstime ... perhaps more properly known as the Omniverse.
An Infinite number of conceptual Alternatives for All the Worlds of Creation,
we're LOOKING at the variations of SOL III, (Earth-616) better known as the planet Earth,
from this perspective, THIS World looks very much like our own"
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Originally posted by operator616not to sound rude, and i really do appreciate you gathering
evidence, but can you point out how giving me the definitions of the
omniverse is relevant to the topic at hand (pre-SW LT being
megaversal)?
I cleared that for ya friend.
The LT is the same LT of always.
The most powerful entity there is, until Beyonder and upgraded Owen Reece arrived.
Then Beyonder/Owen were downgraded, so the LT shot back up to #1.
Then we learned there is one greater than the LT ... TOAA.
Then we learned that 1000 Years from now, there is another anomaly
that surpasses the LT .. Protege, and another that surpasses them both ... Scathan.
Then we learned that TOAA's power has manifested withIN reality,
so the LT gets stomped.
That's it, that's the whole story.
And this: (Beyonder making the LT & friends "Tremble" in fear)
This was he or not "megarversal" twister you're carrying isn't going anywhere.
The trans-infinite Prime Multiverse is all that really matters.
That's where 99% of all Marvel power is.
Did you know, that All those other UniverseS OUTSIDE the Prime
Multiverse have No consciousness? Meaning, Eternity/Infinity's
consciousness does not expand into them. There's life within them,
but not on a cosmic scale.
Originally posted by Mr Masterhow is this known?
The trans-infinite Prime Multiverse is all that really matters.
Thats' where 99% of all Marvel power is.Did you know, that All those other UniverseS OUTSIDE the Prime
Multiverse have No consciousness? Meaning, Eternity/Infinity's
consciousness does not expand into them. There's life within them,
but not on a cosmic scale.
anyway, LT's standing in the hierarchy hasn't changed, but the cosmic topography he governs (the megaverse thing) has been expanded by newer comics. this can be seen as a power-up from our point of view as readers, but not from within the universe, so you are both right in a sense.
@op: stalemate; boring thread.
my intention of bringing the "outdated" definition of the omniverse in 2005 handbook was to point out wanda's feat (since she did it in 2005 hence why i brought the 2005 handbook and then it was referenced in 2008) not to show the most recent definition of the omniverse (which you apparently thought).
anyways, i guess bringing up the trans-infinite multiversal concept (still not megaversal level though) is a fair point from your part.
may i ask for proof on the last part?
you think lucy and mike stalemate the beyonder?
i dont think they do, since LT was confirmed to be trans-multiversal in SW (which is on the level of lucifer and michael) , and beyonder was millions of times more powerful than LT and all others. i think it's pretty clear that the beyonder is more powerful
Originally posted by operator616
may i ask for proof on the last part?
Originally posted by 753how is this known?
Originally posted by 753anyway, LT's
cosmic topography he governs (the megaverse thing) has been
expanded by newer comics. this can be seen as a power-up from our
point of view as readers, but not from within the universe, so you are
both right in a sense.
The majority of Marvel's significance is constricted to the prime Multiverse.
If anyone here has ever picked up a comic they would have realized that Michaels power compared to the once infinity universes that made the Dcverse, was described to have been able to manipulate, destroy, or create ten times over. Beyonders power compared to the same sized multiverse was said to be millions of times more powerful.
