Thor vs GL Hal

Started by Rage.Of.Olympus8 pages

Forget the other side of the Universe, Mjolnir recently traversed to Atum's dimension, and Thor wasn't even explicitly calling it. Mjolnir is one of those tools that quite frankly has no limits when it comes to teleportation, when used it can break barriers to pretty much anywhere. Like recently highlighted in the Hulk issue, the entire Space/Time continuum is open to it.

Dammit Rage you be stealing my thunder.

Yeah, Thor has teleported it from dimension to dimension before. Once even in battle to get it away from Loki.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Forget the other side of the Universe, Mjolnir recently traversed to Atum's dimension, and Thor wasn't even explicitly calling it. Mjolnir is one of those tools that quite frankly has no limits when it comes to teleportation, when used it can break barriers to pretty much anywhere. Like recently highlighted in the Hulk issue, the entire Space/Time continuum is open to it.

It still took time to do that. Travelling to another dimension and travelling from the end of the universe are two different things. IIRC it took a minute for mjolnir to return from the end of galaxy.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Dammit Rage you be stealing my thunder.

Yeah, Thor has teleported it from dimension to dimension before. Once even in battle to get it away from Loki.


Travelling through dimension is one thing, returning from the end of the universe is another.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It still took time to do that. Travelling to another dimension and travelling from the end of the universe are two different things. IIRC it took a minute for mjolnir to return from the end of galaxy.
Travelling through dimension is one thing, returning from the end of the universe is another.
Teleportation is teleportation.

Originally posted by Bentley
According to your terms, Abhi stalemated Jake biscuits
No, since abhi didn't respond to jakes very thorough response ie. Jake won the exchange.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It still took time to do that. Travelling to another dimension and travelling from the end of the universe are two different things. IIRC it took a minute for mjolnir to return from the end of galaxy.

A few seconds I'd guess. But it flew a great distance (Surfer had trouble keeping up) then broke through to Atum's dimension, as I said, Thor didn't explicitly summon it, he just felt Mjolnir's calling.

Yes it did take Mjolnir about 60 seconds, but then again, it flew that distance and again Thor didn't call it, was simply it's return enchantment.

Why is Mjolnir traveling across distant dimensions easily much different from traversing space?

Useless semantics but okay whatever, Thor teleported from Earth to the Sh'iar Empire to the Galactus black hole back to back easily so clearly sheer distance isn't a problem.

Scene I'm talking about.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Surfer comments on Mjolnir's velocity as it speeds away from Earth, then it crosses to an alternate plane of existence that even he can't reach:

"So fast---"

"Impossible"

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
A few seconds I'd guess. But it flew a great distance (Surfer had trouble keeping up) then broke through to Atum's dimension, as I said, Thor didn't explicitly summon it, he just felt Mjolnir's calling.

Yes it did take Mjolnir about 60 seconds, but then again, it flew that distance and again Thor didn't call it, was simply it's return enchantment.

Why is Mjolnir traveling across distant dimensions easily much different from traversing space?

Useless semantics but okay whatever, Thor teleported from Earth to the Sh'iar Empire to the Galactus black hole back to back easily so clearly sheer distance isn't a problem.


It would still take time for mjolnir to return which Thor wouldn't have here.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Scene I'm talking about.

Surfer is only near lightspeed in normal space. That doesn't impress me.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Travelling through dimension is one thing, returning from the end of the universe is another.

Not really. Mjolnir penetrates not only the boundaries of space, but time also. If it can be reached, Mjolnir is there. And frankly I don't see how distance has anything to do with the connection that Mjolnir has to Thor. It can return from other universes, let alone the same one.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Not really. Mjolnir penetrates not only the boundaries of space, but time also. If it can be reached, Mjolnir is there. And frankly I don't see how distance has anything to do with the connection that Mjolnir has to Thor. It can return from other universes, let alone the same one.
Thor clearly has the capabilities to do so. Been proven.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Not really. Mjolnir penetrates not only the boundaries of space, but time also. If it can be reached, Mjolnir is there. And frankly I don't see how distance has anything to do with the connection that Mjolnir has to Thor. It can return from other universes, let alone the same one.

Give a proof then.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Give a proof then.
You really need proof he can teleport with his hammer ? Lol.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Give a proof then.

For Thor teleporting his hammer through dimensions? Been there done that?

Originally posted by abhilegend
It would still take time for mjolnir to return which Thor wouldn't have here.

Proof of that? Sure it would take time if Mjolnir flew back to Thor, but we've seen that Thor can directly teleport Mjolnir to his hand so I don't see how it would matter.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer is only near lightspeed in normal space. That doesn't impress me.

I honestly could not care less if you are impressed or not. This was not posted for your benefit.

Originally posted by Damborgson
For Thor teleporting his hammer through dimensions? Been there done that?

From the end of the universe.

Originally posted by abhilegend
From the end of the universe.
He doesn't need to disprove your claim. You need to prove distance is a problem for Thors teleportation.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Proof of that? Sure it would take time if Mjolnir flew back to Thor, but we've seen that Thor can directly teleport Mjolnir to his hand so I don't see how it would matter.
I would like to see the farthest distance mjolnir has teleported to reach Thor. No limit fallacy ftw otherwise.

I honestly could not care less if you are impressed or not. This was not posted for your benefit.
Ok. Doesn't changes a single thing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
From the end of the universe.

It travels from other universes lol. There's no specific end of universe Mjolnir return, only other universe teleportation return. What more do you need other than to accept it?

Originally posted by abhilegend
I would like to see the farthest distance mjolnir has teleported to reach Thor. No limit fallacy ftw otherwise.

Ok. Doesn't changes a single thing.

Its your claim you need to prove it. Teleportation is teleportation.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I would like to see the farthest distance mjolnir has teleported to reach Thor. No limit fallacy ftw otherwise

Ok. Doesn't changes a single thing.

The farthest measurable number given for Mjolnir's teleportation would be millions of light years:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/TeleportMillionMilesAway1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/TeleportMillionMilesAway2.jpg

In terms of sheer distance, teleporting from Earth to the heart of Sh'iar space is probably more impressive as IIRC it's in deep space. Although I'm pretty sure the Galactus black hole was near the heart of the Universe or something no?

How far has Mjolnir teleported in terms of distance by itself into Thor's hands would be distant dimensions I guess:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsLoki59.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsLoki60.jpg

Like it's been said, Mjolnir has no real limits in terms of distance. Onus is on you now.