Wolverine with Speedforce vs. Darkseid

I even said the scan was non-canon and was meant to be tongue in cheek. Come on people 😬

But I would easily put the entire JLA over Wolverine with the speed force 😬 I hope your not claiming Wolverine is more formidable then them

Originally posted by DTM
I do, though I think Supermans superspeed would give him a better chance than Id give Darkseid, but in the end I think Flash/Wolverine beats him too. Claws that can cut thru pretty much anything, coming at you at the pace and fury of the speed of light is too much for most any Non Cosmic, IMO.

DS has super speed and time manipulation too 😬

Er, never in my life seen Darkseid display any superspeed (cant comment on time manipulation, though considering how often he gets pummeled by Superman, I have my doubts on that as well)

Originally posted by DTM
Er, never in my life seen Darkseid display any superspeed (cant comment on time manipulation, though considering how often he gets pummeled by Superman, I have my doubts on that as well)

He hasn't, but the mods will give you warning for saying that because they like to pretend that he is faster than the Hulk.

Well, its not like the Hulk is known for his superspeed either. 😛

Originally posted by DTM
Er, never in my life seen Darkseid display any superspeed (cant comment on time manipulation, though considering how often he gets pummeled by Superman, I have my doubts on that as well)

Sounds like you don't know much about Darkseid then

Originally posted by -K-M-
[b]Darkseid
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Speed
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Cosmic Odyssey [TPB]
Mentions he needs to react in a microsecond, and he does temporally escaping from the Anti-Life Entity.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_162.jpg
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New Gods #10 [Vol.3]
Here Darkseid moves at “unthinkable speeds” to the Source Wall

1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/NewGodsv310-19.jpg
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Superman #3 [Vol.2]
Here Desaad acting as Darkseid speed blitzes Superman and we know for a fact Darkseid is faster. Desaad actually revealed later he did know Clark Kent was Superman

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanvol2003p08.jpg
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Superman/Batman #13 [Vol.1]
Darkseid gets speed blitzed by Superman, but he quickly swats him away

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/003-SupermanBatman013Rembrandt-DCP.jpg [/B]

Originally posted by -K-M-
[b]Darkseid
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Omega Beams [Part: 3/3]
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Time Manipulation
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Forever People #6 [Vol.1]
Here Darkseid uses his omega beams and sends each member to different points of Earth’s history.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ForeverPeople006-13.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ForeverPeople006-14.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ForeverPeople006-15.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ForeverPeople006-16.jpg
5. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ForeverPeople006-17.jpg
6. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ForeverPeople006-18.jpg
7. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ForeverPeople007-04.jpg
8. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ForeverPeople007-05.jpg
9. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ForeverPeople007-06.jpg
10. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ForeverPeople007-08.jpg
11. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ForeverPeople007-11.jpg
12. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ForeverPeople007-13.jpg
13. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ForeverPeople007-24.jpg
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Jack Kirby’s Fourth World #9-10 [Vol.1]
Darkseid teleports Iluthin [Kanto] to the year 1502 to be trained in sword fighting, and

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/jkfw-09-21.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/jkfw-09-22.jpg
3. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/jkfw-10-17.jpg
4. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/jkfw-10-18.jpg
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Genesis #2 [Vol.1]
Orion reveals his father can travel through time with no problem

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Genesis2pg04.jpg
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New Gods #15 [Vol.2]
Darkseid bends time to bring a clone of Desaad to adult hood

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGods_v2_15-02.jpg
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Super Powers #5 [Vol.2]
Darkseid sent multiple pods that will help remake Earth into different parts of Earth’s history

1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/SuperPowersV2_5of6_03.jpg
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Young Justice #55 [Vol.1]
Here Darkseid uses his omega beams and sends Slo-bo into the 853rd century and transforms him into a living statue.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/YJ-055-19.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/YJ-055-22-1.jpg [/B]

You do realize most of DS's loses to Superman were merely just avatars right? and DS has stomped Superman too.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He hasn't, but the mods will give you warning for saying that because they like to pretend that he is faster than the Hulk.

Actually you're very wrong on that.

Considering how Darkseid has been hit by people and things alot slower than Flash, I think its a moot point.

Originally posted by DTM
Well, its not like the Hulk is known for his superspeed either. 😛

I'm aware.

Some b-stringer Justice Leaguers say "Wow Doomsday is fast!" and suddenly he is speedster who can move ftl, and we are supposed to ignore the fact that his entire fight with Superman had live play by play commentary from human reporters and military / police interference.

Then there's the fight with Orion where he displayed super speed several times.

Originally posted by DTM
Considering how Darkseid has been hit by people and things alot slower than Flash, I think its a moot point.

Flash has been hit by people slower then him as well, what's your point? Heck, Darkseid has hit Flash. So now are you going to claim Wolverine is going to be more skilled then Flash with superspeed?

Originally posted by -K-M-
Actually you're very wrong on that.

I misread. Thought he was talking about Doomsday for some reason.

Darkseid does have legitimate super speed.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm aware.

Some b-stringer Justice Leaguers say "Wow Doomsday is fast!" and suddenly he is speedster who can move ftl, and we are supposed to ignore the fact that his entire fight with Superman had live play by play commentary from human reporters and military / police interference.

Were split on that one then buddy, cause in DOS its littered with things from all sorts of people (Superman included) on how fast Doomsday is. To me, hes right up there in reaction time and reflex speed as Superman himself, and much moreso than Hulk or Darkseid.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I misread. Thought he was talking about Doomsday for some reason.

Darkseid does have legitimate super speed.

👆

Concerning Doomsday, cant recall to many speed feats other then jumping and catching a fighter jet.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Flash has been hit by people slower then him as well, what's your point? Heck, Darkseid has hit Flash. So now are you going to claim Wolverine is going to be more skilled then Flash with superspeed?

Everyone has good and bad showings, to me, in my opinion, Wolverine with the speed of Flash will beat Darkseid. The ultimate offense with the claws, and the ultimate defense with the speed, added together to Logans experience, cunning and skills. You feel differently, fine, but thats not going to chance my opinion on this matter. 🙂

Originally posted by -K-M-
👆

Concerning Doomsday, cant recall to many speed feats other then jumping and catching a fighter jet.

Read DOS, HP and DW, comments from Many people about how fast he is and how quick he moves are all over the place. Trust me, they definately made him with superspeed in mind.

Originally posted by DTM
Were split on that one then buddy, cause in DOS its littered with things from all sorts of people (Superman included) on how fast Doomsday is. To me, hes right up there in reaction time and reflex speed as Superman himself, and much moreso than Hulk or Darkseid.

Empty rhetoric. Superman's speed got nerfed so Doomsday could be a threat, just like when Clark fights Grundy or Eiling, neither of them have any super speed to speak off and neither does Doomsday.

Eh, so you say, me, there are too many instances and comments about Doomsday having high level superspeed for me to believe he doesnt have it. 🙂

Also, with Grundy and Eiling, theres never any mention of them having superspeed, with Doomsday is all over the place.

Originally posted by DTM
Everyone has good and bad showings, to me, in my opinion, Wolverine with the speed of Flash will beat Darkseid. The ultimate offense with the claws, and the ultimate defense with the speed, added together to Logans experience, cunning and skills. You feel differently, fine, but thats not going to chance my opinion on this matter. 🙂

Darkseid has thousands upon thousands years of experience, and has more cunning and skill (leader of a race and planet, and fighting a war for thousands of years) as well as more exotic powers which you are very unfamiliar with. Seriously why even bring that up when compared to Darkseid 😬

I didnt say Wolverine was more experienced than Darkseid, I said hes very experienced and skilled, especially when it comes to fighting. Please, keep twisting my words around. 😛