Originally posted by DTM
I didnt say Wolverine was more experienced than Darkseid, I said hes very experienced and skilled, especially when it comes to fighting. Please, keep twisting my words around. 😛
But your comparison fails when the person your trying to hype up those traits is insignificant to the person he is against. Pointless to even mention.
Originally posted by DTM
Eh, so you say, me, there are too many instances and comments about Doomsday having high level superspeed for me to believe he doesnt have it. 🙂Also, with Grundy and Eiling, theres never any mention of them having superspeed, with Doomsday is all over the place.
Other than Booster Gold's hyperbole about him being faster than the Flash, what else is there to suggest he has "high level superspeed"? There is more on panel documentation that Captain America is an FTL speedster with punches stronger than Atom Bombs... and I'm not being facetious. A lot of people said he was "fast" and he is... but there is a big difference between being fast and being Superman fast. He was able to keep up with Superman in that particular story because Superman was jobbed out and was slow enough that human reporters could give play by plays of his fight. Nothing suggest he could compete with the speed we know Superman is capable of.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Darkseid has thousands upon thousands years of experience, and has more cunning and skill (leader of a race and planet, and fighting a war for thousands of years) as well as more exotic powers which you are very unfamiliar with. Seriously why even bring that up when compared to Darkseid 😬
Aaaaand yet he gets beat up by Superman in a who can punch each other the most contests. Darkseid is a bruiser. I don't see how Wolverine with the speed of the Flash doesn't mess him up.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Aaaaand yet he gets beat up by Superman in a who can punch each other the most contests. Darkseid is a bruiser. I don't see how Wolverine with the speed of the Flash doesn't mess him up.
Lets just overlook our extreme differences on whether or not Doomsday has superspeed, and just agree on the topic at hand, as in the above. 🙂
Originally posted by srankmissingninThey weren't always moving fast. Sometimes they would just stand in one spot and hit each other.
I'm aware.Some b-stringer Justice Leaguers say "Wow Doomsday is fast!" and suddenly he is speedster who can move ftl, and we are supposed to ignore the fact that his entire fight with Superman had live play by play commentary from human reporters and military / police interference.
But you are lowballing. It was the clear intention of the writer to give DD flash like speed. No comic is written perfectly. There's contradictions in many comics, including your Marvel ones that you like so much.
Originally posted by h1a8
They weren't always moving fast. Sometimes they would just stand in one spot and hit each other.But you are lowballing. It was the clear intention of the writer to give DD flash like speed. No comic is written perfectly. There's contradictions in many comics, including your Marvel ones that you like so much.
It must just be a coincident that in two decades since his creation he doesn't have single Flash level speed feat I guess.
This is the same bs that Thor-bags try to pull (in relation to his combat speed, not movement), citing narrative hyperbole and ambiguous rhetoric. Guess what, these aren't obscure characters who barely show up on panel, they are popular iconic if the writers intended for them to be legitimate speedsters... there would probably at least one concrete on panel example of that speed... but there isn't. Why do you think that is?
Originally posted by -K-M-
Most of his loses were retconned away and he also has beaten Superman too.
I'm aware.
My point being he has legitimately lost fights on panel, and via conventional damage no less. He gets punched or laser blasted into submission. He isn't an abstract being or an energy construct, he can be incapacitate via conventional methods, and you really don't think - based on how Darkseid fights - that Wolverine with the speed force is incapable of beating him? We know what his blunt damage soak is like, but having his insides sliced up at greater than C, is going to be exponentially more damaging than getting punched in the face by Superman.