Originally posted by RobtardSo without the force he can't jump or punch ? 😂
You clearly don't understand.Vader without the force could still do acrobatics, have the balance of a cat, sense danger he can't see and block blaster-fire. Those are his skills, not the Force, the Force just helps those skillz!
Originally posted by RobtardYes, and the force enhances things he can do so without it.
He'd have the jumping and punching ability of a normal human that's his size, age and physical condition, which is nothing compared to a highly trained Vulcan <--- the point you love to dodge 🙂
Precog and what not enhance his reflexes. You people think he can't jump, punch, and raise his saber on his own minus the force.
Clearly don't understand the force. Awful.
Originally posted by Robtard
You clearly don't understand.Vader without the force could still do acrobatics, have the balance of a cat, sense danger he can't see and block blaster-fire. Those are his skills, not the Force, the Force just helps those skillz!
so you see...anakin he be all skilled, but not super strong cuz his force is turned off, so he just has his skillz but no force.
but when he needs the force he be all like "I HAVE THE POWEEEEERRRRRR"
Originally posted by focus4chumpsEnhances what he can do without. It's clear to all but you two boobs.
so you see...anakin he be all skilled, but not super strong cuz his force is turned off, so he just has his skillz but no force.but when he needs the force he be all like "I HAVE THE POWEEEEERRRRRR"
Commence trolling because you are clearly wrong.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, and the force exchanges these things he can do so without it.Precog and what not enhance his reflexes. You people think he can't jump, punch, and raise his saber on his own minus the force.
Clearly don't understand the force. Awful.
So Vader can sense danger in another room without the Force, it's just not enhanced? 😂 You adorable know nothing, you.
Strawman; no one claimed as much. He's just a regular human without the Force, which is no match for a Vulcan <--- the point you continually dodge.
More *honk* *honk* tactics as it's clear you're once again out of your element. Happens a lot with you.
Originally posted by RobtardNo, that is precog. People can sense danger though no some level without it just not to this degree.
So Vader can sense danger in another room without the Force, it's just not enhanced? 😂 You adorable know nothing, you.Strawman; no one claimed as much. He's just a regular human without the Force, which is no match for a Vulcan <--- the point you continually dodge.
More *honk* *honk* tactics as it's clear you're once again out of your element. Happens a lot with you.
Anakin also had the force and Didnt sense Obis saber before it cut him down.
Not at all what you were saying. You used acrobatics like its impossible for people,to do so. Ridiculous. The force enhances what skills any normal human can possess. That's it.
I pity you. I clearly understand the force not you.
So I'm failing to see the disagreement... In this Anakin...
Has no light saber
Has no force except precog
So he's a human...
He still has a memory and his motor skills have muscle memory, but since most of his training involved a lightsaber we don't know what his skills are like without it. We have to assume no quality hand to hand experience. He's fighting a highly trained alien 3 times his strength and speed. It's still a stomp IMO.
Originally posted by OdekahnI think everyone agrees Spock wins Thats why I made another thread rematch.
So I'm failing to see the disagreement... In this Anakin...Has no light saber
Has no force except precog
So he's a human...
He still has a memory and his motor skills have muscle memory, but since most of his training involved a lightsaber we don't know what his skills are like without it. We have to assume no quality hand to hand experience. He's fighting a highly trained alien 3 times his strength and speed. It's still a stomp IMO.
You think wrong.
They use flawed reasoning like "Vulcans are 3 x stronger than humans", ignoring the fact that Spock is half human.
So he may be 1.5 times the strength of a human, but force users are much faster, more precognitive, stronger etc etc due to their usage and oneness with The Force.
You've had to gimp Vader heavily. Says it all.
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthSo unless you think Vader wins I think right.
You think wrong.They use flawed reasoning like "Vulcans are 3 x stronger than humans", ignoring the fact that Spock is half human.
So he may be 1.5 times the strength of a human, but force users are much faster, more precognitive, stronger etc etc due to their usage and oneness with The Force.You've had to gimp Vader heavily. Says it all.
Prove he's just 1.5 times as strong as a human.
Vulcan Wiki entry:
"Vulcans are typically depicted as stronger, faster, and longer-lived than humans (although discrepancies have occurred - and although not as long as Vulcans, humans have been shown to live longer in the Star Trek universe than today - presumably due to advances in medical science). Vulcans are about three times as strong as an average human, owing to Vulcan's higher gravity although their durability is equal to humans. There are instances of them living over two hundred and twenty years.[3] Having evolved on a desert world, Vulcans can survive without water for longer periods than humans.[1] Vulcans can also go without sleep for as long as two weeks.[4]Romulans are similar in appearance to Vulcans, with whom they share a common ancestry."
Originally posted by Silent MasterHave you not seen the film yet ?
3x average isn't really all that great, as the average bench is around a person's body weight, Spock is around 172lbs so that would place his bench at around 516lbs....which makes him about as strong as the average tackle or guard in the NFL.
Originally posted by Silent Master
3x average isn't really all that great, as the average bench is around a person's body weight, Spock is around 172lbs so that would place his bench at around 516lbs....which makes him about as strong as the average tackle or guard in the NFL.
Yet much more agile and 3 times as fast. All things considered, yes it's "that great".