Originally posted by focus4chumpsIt is all canon but this is pre suit Vader so it isn't relevant. Read the thread again.
let me guess. the original trilogy is moot because you said so and so the last jedi masters' testament is rubbish....right?because its "overrated"?
I preferred the prequels. Most didn't. I march to the beat of my own drum.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It is all canon but this is pre suit Vader so it isn't relevant. Read the thread again.
so you are actually trying to de-legitimize the mythos of the star wars saga and invent your own theory on the force to contradict yoda and win a thread? no shit, huh?
wow your life must suck so ****ing bad, man. df
Originally posted by focus4chumpsNo, I am saying we only argue what Vader does pre suit. You want to include every feat while ignoring the op. not on my watch.
so you are actually trying to de-legitimize the mythos of the star wars saga and invent your own theory on the force to contradict yoda and win a thread? no shit, huh?wow your life must suck so ****ing bad, man. df
Originally posted by quanchi112
I created another thread where Vader can use the force. That's where that comment is relevant not here.
good lord.
without the force he's not a jedi or sith. its like taking away all superman's power to win a thread. whats the point?.
the force is a scifi version of qi/life force. its not just a bag of tricks as you seem to think it is.
while it can be manifested into attacks and such, it is also what makes him fast, and strong on offense and defense as well. its always present and its the sole catalyst for him becoming a warrior in the first place. to just disallow the force is to remove him from the context of everything he is. its pointless and stupid.
Originally posted by focus4chumpsHe has his artificial hand and his skills. Superman is still Superman powerless Hes just powerless.
good lord.without the force he's not a jedi or sith. its like taking away all superman's power to win a thread. whats the point?.
the force is a scifi version of qi/life force. its not just a bag of tricks as you seem to think it is.
while it can be manifested into attacks and such, it is also what makes him fast, and strong on offense and defense as well. its always present and its the sole catalyst for him becoming a warrior in the first place. to just disallow the force is to remove him from the context of everything he is. its pointless and stupid.
Not relevant to this thread. You're openly crying about Anakin losing here. 😂
Originally posted by focus4chumpsThat isn't all his skill. You act like he has absolutely zero skill on his own. Untrue. It enhances everything. He needs to practice still. If he didn't training would be irrelevant.
the force is where he gets his skill. its not just some power-up or collection of magic spells.you obviously dont understand the most basic aspect of the mythos so you have no business debating anything star wars.
You clearly don't grasp Star Wars.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That isn't all his skill. You act like he has absolutely zero skill on his own. Untrue. It enhances everything. He needs to practice still. If he didn't training would be irrelevant.You clearly don't grasp Star Wars.
its not an "enhancement". it is the source of his strength, his skill, everything in his training. if you watched ep5 you would understand this.
but no, keep making a blathering ass out of yourself while confessing you never saw it yet found it overrated.
Originally posted by focus4chumpsI have and like I said it enhances it. If skill wasnt required just the force training wouldn't be needed. You have no real concept of the word training do you ?
its not an "enhancement". it is the source of his strength, his skill, everything in his training. if you watched ep5 you would understand this.but no, keep making a blathering ass out of yourself while confessing you never saw it yet found it overrated.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I have and like I said it enhances it. If skill wasnt required just the force training wouldn't be needed. You have no real concept of the word training do you ?
if you HAD watched it you would have known that luke had no h2h feats at all and was even a pretty crappy shot with a blaster.
if you HAD watched it you would have known that yoda teaches luke ZERO h2h skills and only in tuning his mind and body with the force. thats is what unlocked and more importantly enabled his skill.
you have no understanding of the mythos of star wars, yet you keep spamming the forum with your troll threads.
if i had your life i'd set myself on fire.
Originally posted by focus4chumpsIt greatly enhances his abilities. But he needs to practice ie he gets better by the time of return of the Jedi where he crushes Vader. Practice wouldn't be needed if what you say is true.
if you HAD watched it you would have known that luke had no h2h feats at all and was even a pretty crappy shot with a blaster.if you HAD watched it you would have known that yoda teaches luke ZERO h2h skills and only in tuning his mind and body with the force. thats is what unlocked and more importantly enabled his skill.
you have no understanding of the mythos of star wars, yet you keep spamming the forum with your troll threads.
if i had your life i'd set myself on fire.
Dooku: this contest will not be decided by knowledge of the force alone but by the skill of the light saber.
Originally posted by quanchi112
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Dooku: this contest will not be decided by knowledge of the force alone but by the skill of the light saber. [/B]
lightsaber training starts with using the force. you at least saw the PT. younglings are started off in lightsaber training with blinders on. same with luke's very first training in ep4 (another fine film you should check out).
they didnt start on lightsabers and then have the force 'enhance' it, nor is this is not a chicken/egg paradox. its abundantly clear that the force is the foundation, religion and philosophy of their training. its not a ****ing rpg power-up
Originally posted by focus4chumpsYes, the basics are the force enhancing their other abilities so of course they start there. Then they fine hone their skills on top of this. Are you being for real here ? This is laughable your inability to comprehend the Star Wars universe.
lightsaber training starts with using the force. you at least saw the PT. younglings are started off in lightsaber training with blinders on. same with luke's very first training in ep4 (another fine film you should check out).they didnt start on lightsabers and then have the force 'enhance' it, nor is this is not a chicken/egg paradox. its abundantly clear that the force is the foundation, religion and philosophy of their training. its not a ****ing rpg power-up
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, the basics are the force enhancing their other abilities so of course they start there. Then they fine hone their skills on top of this. Are you being for real here ? This is laughable your inability to comprehend the Star Wars universe.
they have no abilities. they're little babies blocking training-droid shots with blinders.
unless you are trying to suggest they just give lightsabers to the infants on their first day before they go to yoda's 'the force 101' class?
should the old republic version of dyfs been contacted to report the jedi for handing lethal weapons to clueless babies?
Originally posted by focus4chumpsThey learn their abilities and force enhance them. Do you think people in real life come out of the womb with combat training or do you think they train ?
they have no abilities. they're little babies blocking training-droid shots with blinders.unless you are trying to suggest they just give lightsabers to the infants on their first day before they go to yoda's 'the force 101' class?
should the old republic version of dyfs been contacted to report the jedi for handing lethal weapons to clueless babies?
When they are ready and have progressed they have to fine tune their abilities with saber. You don't give a guy in the police academy a gun the first day and say there you go.
This is rather embarrassing. You clearly don't grasp the force. Noob.
Originally posted by focus4chumpsThey go hand in hand. You clearly don't grasp training and common sense. Force will be the foundation since it enhances skill of the users. Knowledge of the force doesn't just auto skill. Must be learned through training. Lol at your mind.
the saga itself clearly denies you.the force and their skill are NOT exclusive, no matter how much you choose to
attempt to alter the mythos and make a pathetic ass of yourself"disagree".
Originally posted by focus4chumps
good lord.without the force he's not a jedi or sith. its like taking away all superman's power to win a thread. whats the point?.
the force is a scifi version of qi/life force. its not just a bag of tricks as you seem to think it is.
while it can be manifested into attacks and such, it is also what makes him fast, and strong on offense and defense as well. its always present and its the sole catalyst for him becoming a warrior in the first place. to just disallow the force is to remove him from the context of everything he is. its pointless and stupid.
You clearly don't understand.
Vader without the force could still do acrobatics, have the balance of a cat, sense danger he can't see and block blaster-fire. Those are his skills, not the Force, the Force just helps those skillz!