Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Alan, at best, is like high trans level from that arc, possibly being low skyfather. Even so, the Starheart didn't make him so far beyond the likes of some of the guys on Marvel's team.
What did the others do that makes them more powerful than someone who took on Mordru and most of DC's biggest heroes simultaneously? And with no trouble at all.
Originally posted by Golgo13
What did the others do that makes them more powerful than someone who took on Mordru and most of DC's biggest heroes simultaneously? And with no trouble at all.
Let's be honest, Alan took on a B list team of heroes from the JLA/JSA, which was the whole point of Robinson's JLA run (Bruce was "dead", Diana was off doing her own thing, Superman was dealing with New Krypton, etc.). And yes, him taking them on through his constructs while not really focused was impressive. His stalemating of a weak Mordru was also impressive in JSA.
King Thor alone has the destructive capabilities to blow a hole through Captain America's shield, warp adamantium, and decapitate the Destroyer Armor. He can also stop time and perform other abilities granted to him through the Odin Force.
I don't see anyone being able to stand against that kind of raw power on Team DC for long.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Let's be honest, Alan took on a B list team of heroes from the JLA/JSA, which was the whole point of Robinson's JLA run (Bruce was "dead", Diana was off doing her own thing, Superman was dealing with New Krypton, etc.). And yes, him taking them on through his constructs while not really focused was impressive. His stalemating of a weak Mordru was also impressive in JSA.King Thor alone has the destructive capabilities to blow a hole through Captain America's shield, warp adamantium, and decapitate the Destroyer Armor. He can also stop time and perform other abilities granted to him through the Odin Force.
I don't see anyone being able to stand against that kind of raw power on Team DC for long.
Not only did he dominate physically (Both Power Girl and Supergirl) couldn't even put a dent in him and he just laughed off their blows. Supergirl in the same Robinson run dominated Ultraman as well. He also dominated mentally as well. Taking control over many minds.
Yes, Mordru was weak, but he was powerful enough to casually create pocket dimension, IIRC. Dr. Fate, Obsidian, and the whole team of JLA/JSA was present. It was a good feat.
King Thor alone killed Desak in the Destroyer armor with a single throw of his hammer.
Void alone atomized Loki with a gesture.
Genis alone had a hand in destroying Eternity.
Strange alone stalemated each infinity gem individually.
Namor alone was trouncing an uber Avengers line-up(which included the likes of: Thor, Strange, Rulk, Thing, Iron Man, Iron Fist, etc.) before Wanda intervened.
Keeper alone is powerful enough to defeat a hungry Galactus, and can whimsically stop time.
Feat-wise this isn't even a close matchup. The Marvel team stomps.
Originally posted by Galan007
King Thor alone killed Desak in the Destroyer armor with a single throw of his hammer.
Void alone atomized Loki with a gesture.
Genis alone had a hand in destroying Eternity.
Strange alone stalemated each infinity gem individually.
Namor alone was trouncing an uber Avengers line-up(which included the likes of: Thor, Strange, Rulk, Thing, Iron Man, Iron Fist, etc.) before Wanda intervened.
Keeper alone is powerful enough to defeat a hungry Galactus, and can whimsically stop time.Feat-wise this isn't even a close matchup. The Marvel team stomps.
Larfleeze killed a bunch of Controllers easily.
Sinestro was able to make Nekron feel pain and on top of that, surprised Volthoom without the Parallax force.
Alan was able to manipulate time as well, along with sealing a dimensional rift that was destroying multiple universes.
Volthoom was able to toy with high heralds such as Atrocitus and a White Lantern.
Parallax was able to bust up Spectre.
etc...
Originally posted by Odekahn"ZH" Parallax isn't specified in the OP, nor does the OP depict "ZH" Parallax in the subsequent pic.
ZH Parallax and Volthoom?????
Volthoom is absolutely not a universal warper. He tried to become one, and nearly succeeded via tapping into Hal's will, but in the end he failed to attain said power.
Originally posted by Cogito
The picture clearly shows Hal Parallax during Johns' run, and Volthoom merely simulated alternate realities. He was growing in power, but he wasn't a real universal reality warper (yet).
You have to wonder if guys like Sentry or Genis (not insane) could actually beat Volthoom. He was ultimately defeated by Nekron, right?
Originally posted by Golgo13
You have to wonder if guys like Sentry or Genis (not insane) could actually beat Volthoom. He was ultimately defeated by Nekron, right?
Well, he was ultimately killed by Nekron but he was defeated by Hal before that when Hal used the Black Lantern ring to draw 'Thoom's power from him.
Just because Nekron made the final kill doesn't mean that lesser beings (e.g. everyone on team Marvel) couldn't do the same.
Originally posted by Galan007
"ZH" Parallax isn't specified in the OP, nor does the OP depict "ZH" Parallax in the subsequent pic.Volthoom is absolutely not a universal warper. He tried to become one, and nearly succeeded via tapping into Hal's will, but in the end he failed to attain said power.
Ok fair enough, I saw parallax hal and just assumed ZH.
Volthoom did attain that power, that's what was making Kyle go crazy. it even showed the hand of creation.
Originally posted by Cogito
Well, he was ultimately killed by Nekron but he was defeated by Hal before that when Hal used the Black Lantern ring to draw 'Thoom's power from him.Just because Nekron made the final kill doesn't mean that lesser beings (e.g. everyone on team Marvel) couldn't do the same.
Yeah, he was defeated by something the other team doesn't have. Not saying that a being of higher multitude couldn't beat Volthoom (Galactus, Franklin, Spectre, etc...), but could Void Sentry do it? Could Adam Warlock?
Originally posted by Golgo13Controllers are featless wonders, but even IF we assume they are on par with Guardians, killing them is still vastly inferior to one-shotting Desak in the Destroyer armor.
Larfleeze killed a bunch of Controllers easily.
Sinestro was able to make Nekron feel pain and on top of that, surprised Volthoom without the Parallax force.
Alan was able to manipulate time as well, along with sealing a dimensional rift that was destroying multiple universes.
Volthoom was able to toy with high heralds such as Atrocitus and a White Lantern.
Parallax was able to bust up Spectre.
etc...
Since when does making another character "feel pain" qualify as a noteworthy feat?
Scans of Alan manipulating time to the same degree as KT or Keeper, please. Also, how is the ability to seal dimensional rifts supposed to help Alan in this battle?
Who hasn't 'busted up' Crispus-Spectre? Nowadays, that is hardly a high-end feat. :/
Originally posted by Golgo13
Yeah, he was defeated by something the other team doesn't have. Not saying that a being of higher multitude couldn't beat Volthoom (Galactus, Franklin, Spectre, etc...), but could Void Sentry do it? Could Adam Warlock?
Void? Maybe. I don't think I'd bet on it.
Adam with the Soul Gem very well might be able to phuck him up though. Volthoom's power comes from the emotional spectrum, which I imagine falls somewhere in the category of "soul"-like things.
Genis and Thor should phuck him up.
Originally posted by Galan007
Controllers are featless wonders, but even IF we assume they are on par with Guardians, killing them is still vastly inferior to one-shotting Desak in the Destroyer armor.Since when does making another character "feel pain" qualify as a noteworthy feat?
Scans of Alan manipulating time to the same degree as KT or Keeper, please. Also, how is the ability to seal dimensional rifts supposed to help Alan in this battle?
Who hasn't 'busted up' Crispus-Spectre? Nowadays, that is hardly a high-end feat. :/
I'm not comparing Larfleeze to King Thor, but there are OTHER players on team Marvel. Could Sentry or Genis (Not insane) or Adam beat Larfleeze with his corps?
Sinestro with the entity/WL seemed pretty powerful, IMO. It was one of the only forces to make Nekron feel anything.
And Alan sped up time on a whole planet to make time go faster, IIRC. Early JLA arc. Alan also possessed the likes of Miss Martian, Dr. Fate, and Obsidian.
Originally posted by OdekahnONLY while directly tethering himself to child-Hal. Once that direct physical link was severed, Volthoom immediately ceased being able to cause universal damage.
Volthoom did attain that power, that's what was making Kyle go crazy. it even showed the hand of creation.
...So unless child-Hal is in this thread form Volthoom to link with, then he isn't a universal force.
Originally posted by Golgo13The majority of the DC team are not immune to time-stops. There are 2 characters on the Marvel team that can stop time. Just saying.
I'm not comparing Larfleeze to King Thor, but there are OTHER players on team Marvel. Could Sentry or Genis (Not insane) or Adam beat Larfleeze with his corps?Sinestro with the entity/WL seemed pretty powerful, IMO. It was one of the only forces to make Nekron feel anything.
And Alan sped up time on a whole planet to make time go faster, IIRC. Early JLA arc. Alan also possessed the likes of Miss Martian, Dr. Fate, and Obsidian.
The WL=life. Nekron=death. The WL negatively affecting Nekron is akin to Kryptonite negatively affecting Superman, imo.
Don't remember that. Although, I'm not sure how speeding up time would benefit team-DC? They'd just lose quicker, is all. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
The majority of the DC team are not immune to time-stops. There are 2 characters on the Marvel team that can stop time. Just saying.The WL=life. Nekron=death. The WL negatively affecting Nekron is akin to Kryptonite negatively affecting Superman, imo.
Don't remember that. Although, I'm not sure how speeding up time would benefit team-DC? They'd just lose quicker, is all. 🙂
It was a "little world", but still impressive. AS can also manipulate time.
