Originally posted by quanchi112
How so ? Guys magic is pretty powerful and through his illusions and tricks I'd say he definitely wins over Darkseid's brute force.
Originally posted by Sh3nG L0nGSuperman, Raker, Orion, Doomsday.
Darkseid is a brute now? Quite honestly the idea of Loki beating Darkseid is rather ridiculous. Actually, the Idea of ANY herald beating him is ridiculous. This is spite against Loki.
Loki wins. His magic has affected greater than Seid.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman, Raker, Orion, Doomsday.Loki wins. His magic has affected greater than Seid.
any of the guys you mentioned could beat Loki as much as they've beaten Darkseid. on the flip side, Darkseid's average puts him way above any of the characters mentioned. i'll go as far as saying a team of the characters you mentioned would have a difficult time beating Darkseid on average. I know DS gets no love around here but come on, to say that Loki beats him is an insult. especially if we go by average showings which this message board likes to go by.
Originally posted by Sh3nG L0nGNo, they just beat Seid. You speculate they could beat Loki. I disagree.
any of the guys you mentioned could beat Loki as much as they've beaten Darkseid. on the flip side, Darkseid's average puts him way above any of the characters mentioned. i'll go as far as saying a team of the characters you mentioned would have a difficult time beating Darkseid on average. I know DS gets no love around here but come on, to say that Loki beats him is an insult. especially if we go by average showings which this message board likes to go by.
No, it doesn't.
No, losing to Loki is nothing to be embarrassed about.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, they just beat Seid. You speculate they could beat Loki. I disagree.No, it doesn't.
No, losing to Loki is nothing to be embarrassed about.
this whole Vs forum is based mostly on speculations on who beats who, isn't it? thought so. you yourself are speculating Loki beats DS based on you what you believe to be true, can't fault you for that.
and yes, it does claim to go by average showings. such was the case being made for Mjolnir by yourself and others claiming that because Mjolnir has teleported from point A to point B in the past it "should" be able to teleport from A to C because its average teleportation feats suggests it could.
i'll let you get the last word Quan, I don't see this going anywhere and our speculations aren't going to change one way or the other.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
This is Quan's issue with your response
well that's all cool and all but i still don't get it. DS is not a high herald; high heralds are not his peers nor do they stand a chance of beating him without PIS. If you want to class him as a high herald then he is at the very top which still means he is at the top because he beats anyone under him.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Ok, but powersets can help lower level guys beat people above them...Flash V Ultron
Quasar V Superman
Spot V Hulk
Pietro V Dr. StrangeDs is hard pressed to deal with Loki, its just a bad match Up