List as many characters as you can

Originally posted by beatboks
Not properly in the sense it might imply as "true to the character" but as in the proper and FULL use of their abilities unfettered.

Once where Vandal Savage refers to his power output as greater than MMH and others. There was also the fact that one of Ray's energy constructs with only a portion of his power ( Black Masque) and a personality from Ray's programming soloed most of the JLTF including MMH.

Originally posted by Mindset
The fact that he can heal?

I'm not forgetting obvious powers like healing factor. But if we agree that Kal's heat vision could tear through Hulk and damage him for even fractions of a second, I don't think it's unreasonable to think he can use it to reduce Hulk to ash. It's often considered Superman's most powerful attack. I don't think the idea is too outlandish.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The 12 years of medical school Superman doesn't have you son of a *****! 😠

He's used his heat vision with that level of precision.

Originally posted by Digi
I'm not forgetting obvious powers like healing factor. But if we agree that Kal's heat vision could tear through Hulk and damage him for even fractions of a second, I don't think it's unreasonable to think he can use it to reduce Hulk to ash. It's often considered Superman's most powerful attack. I don't think the idea is too outlandish.

He's used his heat vision with that level of precision.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Scans of these two instances if you can post them please.

I had a hunt last night for the one where Black Masque "soloed" the JLTF. Looks like I was wrong on that one. The one I was thinking of was actually an issue after Black Masque's three issues of appearing in JLTF and was a character called Gamora who looks so damn much like Black masque (except for slight changes in coloring and about three minor modifications to the helmet). Unless the JLTF fought him in the Ray series (which wasn't the way I remembered it) I've got that one wrong. Trying to find my Ray comics in which Vandal played a big part ( trying to manipulate Ray to serve him and making him an employee of his company) to find the other reference now. So far only found one where Savage does a deal with Neron to keep Ray for himself and for Neron to leave him alone as he want's the use of his power ( of course Neron didn't stick to that deal).

Sorry my bad, old man's memory playing tricks

Can=/=will

Originally posted by beatboks
I had a hunt last night for the one where Black Masque "soloed" the JLTF. Looks like I was wrong on that one. The one I was thinking of was actually an issue after Black Masque's three issues of appearing in JLTF and was a character called Gamora who looks so damn much like Black masque (except for slight changes in coloring and about three minor modifications to the helmet). Unless the JLTF fought him in the Ray series (which wasn't the way I remembered it) I've got that one wrong. Trying to find my Ray comics in which Vandal played a big part ( trying to manipulate Ray to serve him and making him an employee of his company) to find the other reference now. So far only found one where Savage does a deal with Neron to keep Ray for himself and for Neron to leave him alone as he want's the use of his power ( of course Neron didn't stick to that deal).

Sorry my bad, old man's memory playing tricks

Originally posted by Don Corleone
List as many characters as you can that can beat Superman for a majority.

High Herald and under.

Surfer probably can (it's iffy depending on how you view Surfer fighting vs. how he typical fights in comics)
There are others but I'm not sure if they are herald level or higher.

For example, a serious flash can beat Superman.

Originally posted by Mindset
That's like saying if Superman can damage Hulk with punches he should be able to punch him into paste.

Not sure I like the comparison, but ok. Point is, he can do that from a safe distance and legitimately hurt Hulk. Maybe you don't think it would kill Hulk. But if he can pierce the skin and bone, what's stopping him from frying his brain?

I think if Superman went full out with his vision, it would tear a hole right through the Hulk. Extrapolate that to obvious conclusions and you have a win in which not a single punch is thrown.

srug

Or, let's dial it back, let's say it injures the Hulk, damages him, but doesn't kill him. Kal can fry him for a couple hours, weaken him the hell down, the go in for a brawl (or, more likely, take the brawl to an advantageous location like space or the sun). I just don't see a reasonably intelligent Superman (in a forum-style fight) ever being touched significantly, even by a beast like WWH.

did it to himself already and survived. he get's encased in a nuclear bomb smothering container right after, but when he breaks out he's healed

Originally posted by Digi
Not sure I like the comparison, but ok. Point is, he can do that from a safe distance and legitimately hurt Hulk. Maybe you don't think it would kill Hulk. But if he can pierce the skin and bone, what's stopping him from frying his brain?

I think if Superman went full out with his vision, it would tear a hole right through the Hulk. Extrapolate that to obvious conclusions and you have a win in which not a single punch is thrown.

srug

Or, let's dial it back, let's say it injures the Hulk, damages him, but doesn't kill him. Kal can fry him for a couple hours, weaken him the hell down, the go in for a brawl (or, more likely, take the brawl to an advantageous location like space or the sun). I just don't see a reasonably intelligent Superman (in a forum-style fight) ever being touched significantly, even by a beast like WWH.

Yeah he will.

sure, but not that way. his best bet is a regular KO

Agreed. Heat vision is still very helpful though.

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