Khan Noonien Singh vs. Yoda

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So? He still manipulated it and manipulated it well.

Oh well. He still sub came to the dark side for a brief period of time. Yes but under similar circumstances. Anakin lost his mother, Luke lost his aunt and uncle who were similar parent figures, Luke then lost Obi wan right in front of him, he then lost yoda in front him, both had their hands cut off, both fought to protect the ones they loved. Similar circumstances.

Are you sure he needs an army? He had killed 3 other Jedi masters in 10 seconds, defeated Darth maul in a very short time frame, had Dooku and Darth Vader both extremely powerful force wielders scared to fight him one on one and wouldn't try and usurp him without an apprentice, dueled yoda to a stalemate, had windu running for the hills and really could have killed during the fight if he wished, manipulating Anakin, defeating savage oppress, killing Darth Plagueis, manipulating Dooku, manipulating Anakin and the rest of the Jedi council, mastering the dark side and the way of the lightsaber, manipulating the Seperatist council and General Grevious. He didn't need an army for any of those things. 😂 I win.

Luke was stronger than weaker Anakin. Sheev was wrong so who cares. The man was an idiot and deserved death for his own stupidity.

Yes, because one Jedi had him on his backside begging for mercy. They were his apprentices and once Vader had enough despite only one hand he hurled the weak old man to his death.

He killed his master in his sleep like a coward. He tried fleeing from Yoda. 😂

He always needed an army to achieve his goals and in the end failed against the shifty rebels. The deck was stacked in his favor.

😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is as if you don't understand how to respond. He needed to remain secret in order to do so that is irrelevant to true manipulation.

Luke was stronger than weaker Anakin. Sheev was wrong so who cares. The man was an idiot and deserved death for his own stupidity.

Yes, because one Jedi had him on his backside begging for mercy. They were his apprentices and once Vader had enough despite only one hand he hurled the weak old man to his death.

He killed his master in his sleep like a coward. He tried fleeing from Yoda. 😂

He always needed an army to achieve his goals and in the end failed against the shifty rebels. The deck was stacked in his favor.

😂

Manipulation is manipulation whether it's behind the scenes or not. Sidious had his way of manipulating and admiral what's his name had his. There is no true manipulation there are true manipulator and there are different styles and ways of manipulation.

Wasn't stupidity more of carelessness.

Due to Sidious allowing windu to have that advantage and he was careless during that point with vader.

Then he went on to fight yoda and it's made painfully clear that he could have killed Plagueis even without doing that in his sleep. Also you try and say Sidious is more powerful than yoda yet now you say he try to flee in hopes of using it against him. Make up your mind. Then Sidious even goes to fight and stalemate him so no that can't really be used against him.

Either you can't read or no you've been defeated I just gave you several examples of times he didn't need an army showing he doesn't need an army to accomplish his goals.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Manipulation is manipulation whether it's behind the scenes or not. Sidious had his way of manipulating and admiral what's his name had his. There is no true manipulation there are true manipulator and there are different styles and ways of manipulation.

Wasn't stupidity more of carelessness.

Due to Sidious allowing windu to have that advantage and he was careless during that point with vader.

Then he went on to fight yoda and it's made painfully clear that he could have killed Plagueis even without doing that in his sleep. Also you try and say Sidious is more powerful than yoda yet now you say he try to flee in hopes of using it against him. Make up your mind. Then Sidious even goes to fight and stalemate him so no that can't really be used against him.

Either you can't read or no you've been defeated I just gave you several examples of times he didn't need an army showing he doesn't need an army to accomplish his goals.

Stupidity can be carelessness.

False. No proof.

No, it isn't. If someone kills you while you're asleep it shows you don't feel man enough to do it in battle.

Khan wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is far easier to manipulate when someone doesn't know you're an enemy. You're a child that doesn't know that there are all kinds of variables and some blanket statement that all manipulation is the same is regarded.

Stupidity can be carelessness.

False. No proof.

No, it isn't. If someone kills you while you're asleep it shows you don't feel man enough to do it in battle.

Khan wins.

Excuses excuses. Different people have different ways of manipulation. So whatever your lame brain hater brain(that is if you have one) thinks manipulation is manipulation and sidious has shown it on a grand scale. Behind the scenes or not it's manipulation.

No it's just careless. Especially when he has shown brilliance.

Prove it.

Or the fact that Darth Plaguies palatines master has trained him up until that time, knows him and you really can't have an all out battle in 19 BBY. Do you know why? Where they were was coruscant. The home of the Jedi. So having an all out battle mostly involved of force powers isn't going to keep in one room it's going to big an explosive. Attracting Jedi isn't going to help with the grand plan. Then you may think go to another planet, well Plaguies isn't goigm anywhere why would he need to and that isn't sidious,style so just kill him in his sleep. However it doesn't matter as sidious did become more powerful than Plaguies as of ROTS.

Baseless claim when the polls and evidence are against you.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Excuses excuses. Different people have different ways of manipulation. So whatever your lame brain hater brain(that is if you have one) thinks manipulation is manipulation and sidious has shown it on a grand scale. Behind the scenes or not it's manipulation.

No it's just careless. Especially when he has shown brilliance.

Prove it.

Or the fact that Darth Plaguies palatines master has trained him up until that time, knows him and you really can't have an all out battle in 19 BBY. Do you know why? Where they were was coruscant. The home of the Jedi. So having an all out battle mostly involved of force powers isn't going to keep in one room it's going to big an explosive. Attracting Jedi isn't going to help with the grand plan. Then you may think go to another planet, well Plaguies isn't goigm anywhere why would he need to and that isn't sidious,style so just kill him in his sleep. However it doesn't matter as sidious did become more powerful than Plaguies as of ROTS.

Baseless claim when the polls and evidence are against you.

Sheev couldn't manipulate Windu after he knew what he was. That's the point. Sheev also failed to manipulate Luke into turning.

His carelessness resulted in his death. Stupidity over Luke. 😂

None of that is canon I suspect. Killing someone in their sleep is cowardly.

Evidence supports me. You haven't even seen the film. 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you just undermined your own point by agreeing it is different. You're hilariously dumb.

Sheev couldn't manipulate Windu after he knew what he was. That's the point. Sheev also failed to manipulate Luke into turning.

His carelessness resulted in his death. Stupidity over Luke. 😂

None of that is canon I suspect. Killing someone in their sleep is cowardly.

Evidence supports me. You haven't even seen the film. 😂

How does it ebony different mean anything? Manipulation is manipulation and if you cared to,read my points I already stated the difference. You are the one who is stupid. Not hilariously though. 🙂

He manipulated windu throughout the battle leading him on thinking he could win as seen by fight. He actually did manipulate Luke for a brief time.

Just carelessness.

Plaguies is canon as seen by ROTS. And no this is canon. He did kill him in his sleep however the circumstances forbid him from going into an all out fight.

In your own fantasy world. You really are stupid. You don't think I haven't seen into the darkness within this time frame. Do you honestly think I couldn't have seen in it. You have no evidence to support you. Khan can't get passed sidious force powers. That's it?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
How does it ebony different mean anything? Manipulation is manipulation and if you cared to,read my points I already stated the difference. You are the one who is stupid. Not hilariously though. 🙂

He manipulated windu throughout the battle leading him on thinking he could win as seen by fight. He actually did manipulate Luke for a brief time.

Just carelessness.

Plaguies is canon as seen by ROTS. And no this is canon. He did kill him in his sleep however the circumstances forbid him from going into an all out fight.

In your own fantasy world. You really are stupid. You don't think I haven't seen into the darkness within this time frame. Do you honestly think I couldn't have seen in it. You have no evidence to support you. Khan can't get passed sidious force powers. That's it?

False. Windu bested him and then Sheev manipulated weak Anakin. Windu knew the kid was weak and couldn't handle Sheev that's why he asked him not to come.

Which was aripod.

So killing him in his sleep is the only info we have so you just broke the rules again, loser.

You admitted you didn't see it and went off your friends information. Khan kills him with one blast.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Manipulation isn't always the same manipulation as you just admitted.

False. Windu bested him and then Sheev manipulated weak Anakin. Windu knew the kid was weak and couldn't handle Sheev that's why he asked him not to come.

Which was aripod.

So killing him in his sleep is the only info we have so you just broke the rules again, loser.

You admitted you didn't see it and went off your friends information. Khan kills him with one blast.

Again that means nothing as manipulation is manipulation just different peep,execute it in different ways according to their situations.

According to you. However in my view sidious can more than handle himself against windu as seen in the movie by how he threw the fight as many others in your did windu win or did sidious throw the fight my side seems to be winning in the polls. You confuse weakens with emotional instability. Sidious threw the fight and I've proven why I believe why.

Seeing as Darth Plaguies has been showing as an important figures by training palptine and he was actually in TPM just never shown he would most likely be all canon his entire story. Also this what I'm saying it's common sense with canon. The Jedi temple is on coruscant correct? We know sidious killed him in his sleep correct? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the Jedi being there and palatines staement said on Plaguies stating the power Plaguies possessed so really it doesn't take a genius to put two and two together and exploring all the possibilities so there are no questions.

How long ago was that. The movie isn't that long I've seen movies longer than into the darkness. I can easily go on Netflix or go buy it or borrow it from a. Friend and watched which is something I could have done and possibly have.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Again that means nothing as manipulation is manipulation just different peep,execute it in different ways according to their situations.

According to you. However in my view sidious can more than handle himself against windu as seen in the movie by how he threw the fight as many others in your did windu win or did sidious throw the fight my side seems to be winning in the polls. You confuse weakens with emotional instability. Sidious threw the fight and I've proven why I believe why.

Seeing as Darth Plaguies has been showing as an important figures by training palptine and he was actually in TPM just never shown he would most likely be all canon his entire story. Also this what I'm saying it's common sense with canon. The Jedi temple is on coruscant correct? We know sidious killed him in his sleep correct? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the Jedi being there and palatines staement said on Plaguies stating the power Plaguies possessed so really it doesn't take a genius to put two and two together and exploring all the possibilities so there are no questions.

How long ago was that. The movie isn't that long I've seen movies longer than into the darkness. I can easily go on Netflix or go buy it or borrow it from a. Friend and watched which is something I could have done and possibly have.

Windu had disarmed him fair and square. Sheev manipulated the mentally weaker Anakin who was consumed by the idea he'd lose his whore wife. There is no evidence he threw the fight. None just baseless speculation contradicting Lucas saying Windu overcame him. That's pretty clear.

We don't know the context. Quit speculating and making shit up. You're a shit debater.

Did you watch it ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
You're an idiot. My point is it's harder to manipulate someone aware of your intentions. Sheev did the bulk of his dirty work unseen which is far easier than the Jedi being aware of him.

Windu had disarmed him fair and square. Sheev manipulated the mentally weaker Anakin who was consumed by the idea he'd lose his whore wife. There is no evidence he threw the fight. None just baseless speculation contradicting Lucas saying Windu overcame him. That's pretty clear.

We don't know the context. Quit speculating and making shit up. You're a shit debater.

Did you watch it ?

Don't describe yourself. Your point again is irrelevant. True or not manipulation is manipulation. It's as simple as that.

As according to you while many other believe sidious allowed him. Sidious manipulated ten entire movie of Revenge of the Sith. Windu included. You say there is no proof when others have found proof and it's clear and the only reason why you say there is none is because your biased and know that all the evidence for it shows that it's true or suggest it.

What do you mean we don't know the context. We know Plagueis is wise and powerful as stated by sidious, and we know that the Jedi council the Jedi temple is on coruscant where they were, we know sidious killed Plaguies in his sleep and we know that sidious has had to play certain parts to make the grand plan work and we know about the rule of two. With all that we know the context. We know the situation and the circumstances. AccepT you are wrong and move on. Don't describe yourself.

Maybe I have maybe I haven't.

😂

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Don't describe yourself. Your point again is irrelevant. True or not manipulation is manipulation. It's as simple as that.

As according to you while many other believe sidious allowed him. Sidious manipulated ten entire movie of Revenge of the Sith. Windu included. You say there is no proof when others have found proof and it's clear and the only reason why you say there is none is because your biased and know that all the evidence for it shows that it's true or suggest it.

What do you mean we don't know the context. We know Plagueis is wise and powerful as stated by sidious, and we know that the Jedi council the Jedi temple is on coruscant where they were, we know sidious killed Plaguies in his sleep and we know that sidious has had to play certain parts to make the grand plan work and we know about the rule of two. With all that we know the context. We know the situation and the circumstances. AccepT you are wrong and move on. Don't describe yourself.

Maybe I have maybe I haven't.

😂

Sheev didn't plan on being disarmed or scarred by Windu. He also didn't plan on Vader being mutilated by Kenobi. Quit lying, fanboy.

So what ? We know Sheev trained Maul in secret and that Plagueis trained sidious in secret. He could have challenged him in private. Sheev like the coward he is attempting to flee from Yoda also assured his victory by killing him while he slept.

You haven't and you're just some dumb troll. 😂

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Don't describe yourself. Your point again is irrelevant. True or not manipulation is manipulation. It's as simple as that.

As according to you while many other believe sidious allowed him. Sidious manipulated ten entire movie of Revenge of the Sith. Windu included. You say there is no proof when others have found proof and it's clear and the only reason why you say there is none is because your biased and know that all the evidence for it shows that it's true or suggest it.

What do you mean we don't know the context. We know Plagueis is wise and powerful as stated by sidious, and we know that the Jedi council the Jedi temple is on coruscant where they were, we know sidious killed Plaguies in his sleep and we know that sidious has had to play certain parts to make the grand plan work and we know about the rule of two. With all that we know the context. We know the situation and the circumstances. AccepT you are wrong and move on. Don't describe yourself.

Maybe I have maybe I haven't.

😂

QUAN NOONIN SHOE wins you ****ing moron👆

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, you said it's different so you already conceded the point. Sheev hid in the shadows because it was easier and he's also a coward.

Sheev didn't plan on being disarmed or scarred by Windu. He also didn't plan on Vader being mutilated by Kenobi. Quit lying, fanboy.

So what ? We know Sheev trained Maul in secret and that Plagueis trained sidious in secret. He could have challenged him in private. Sheev like the coward he is attempting to flee from Yoda also assured his victory by killing him while he slept.

You haven't and you're just some dumb troll. 😂

Again it's irrelevant different or not. He hid in the shadows due to the circumstances placed on him at that time.

Prove he didn't plan on it? He had the time heifer the Jedi got there and his face was already like that so really he had nothing to lose. Also Anakin walks in the minute he's disarmed. All these things make it into sidiosu throwing the fight.

Private? Again do you honestly think a battle between these two force weilders is going to be a concealed quiet dark thing? If he challenged him the Jedi would have known and the Sith would have been discovered.

Dont describe yourself.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Again it's irrelevant different or not. He hid in the shadows due to the circumstances placed on him at that time.

Prove he didn't plan on it? He had the time heifer the Jedi got there and his face was already like that so really he had nothing to lose. Also Anakin walks in the minute he's disarmed. All these things make it into sidiosu throwing the fight.

Private? Again do you honestly think a battle between these two force weilders is going to be a concealed quiet dark thing? If he challenged him the Jedi would have known and the Sith would have been discovered.

Dont describe yourself.

Give up while you are ahead, Khan, duh.

Yoda sh1ts all over Khan. Khan dies of suffocation.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Again it's irrelevant different or not. He hid in the shadows due to the circumstances placed on him at that time.

Prove he didn't plan on it? He had the time heifer the Jedi got there and his face was already like that so really he had nothing to lose. Also Anakin walks in the minute he's disarmed. All these things make it into sidiosu throwing the fight.

Private? Again do you honestly think a battle between these two force weilders is going to be a concealed quiet dark thing? If he challenged him the Jedi would have known and the Sith would have been discovered.

Dont describe yourself.

When you make the claim its up to you to prove it. That's just conjecture.

Maul challenged the Jedi. It can be very quiet. Sheev killed him while he slept so he was weak.

Khan wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That means it was easier to manipulate so you can't deny that fact.

When you make the claim its up to you to prove it. That's just conjecture.

Maul challenged the Jedi. It can be very quiet. Sheev killed him while he slept so he was weak.

Khan wins.

So? He manipulated an entire war. So no matter how he did it he did it and he did it very gracefully as well.

I've proved he planned it. I showed he had the timing, locations, motive and shooed probable cause ago show it and you really don't disprove it you just say I don't agree or wrong. You are no official judge so who cares what you think.

Sidiosu killed 3 Jedi in 10 seconds and fought maul and savage by himself and shwoed maul who the true dark lord of the Sith is.

Yoda curbstomps.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So? He manipulated an entire war. So no matter how he did it he did it and he did it very gracefully as well.

I've proved he planned it. I showed he had the timing, locations, motive and shooed probable cause ago show it and you really don't disprove it you just say I don't agree or wrong. You are no official judge so who cares what you think.

Sidiosu killed 3 Jedi in 10 seconds and fought maul and savage by himself and shwoed maul who the true dark lord of the Sith is.

Yoda curbstomps.

No, you theorized. You need to cite evidence not some crazy theory. Lucas said he overcame him this decimating your case. Lucas said windu did not that Sheev threw the fight.

Weaker Jedi than even opress who survived longer. Maul is the true lord of the Sith and he survived. He opposed Sheev who needed a three on one to kill Maul's Talzin.

Khan wins. You haven't even seen the film.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Due to his position and the fact most didn't know his true intentions, hell no one did.

No, you theorized. You need to cite evidence not some crazy theory. Lucas said he overcame him this decimating your case. Lucas said windu did not that Sheev threw the fight.

Weaker Jedi than even opress who survived longer. Maul is the true lord of the Sith and he survived. He opposed Sheev who needed a three on one to kill Maul's Talzin.

Khan wins. You haven't even seen the film.

So not only does it show manipulation skills but great secrecy and power in the force once you see how no one knew.

Well then what's stopping you since I cited evidence. Please if that actually proved a auguring than there wouldn't be any sources saying that there is no official answer or the side saying he threw the fight. Also Lucas also said that windu overpowered windu. He is describing that specific scene. Not really saying he beat him legitamently p.

Really sidiosu is the true lord of the Sith. Did you see mauls face when sidiosu walked in. Maul can't even use force lightning. Maul clusltn do,anything until he got his mother then he got somewhere. Before that he was begging for his mercy like a little baby. At least Dooku didn't beg like a little b****. Dooku took it like a man.

Evidence says differently. So do the polls.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So not only does it show manipulation skills but great secrecy and power in the force once you see how no one knew.

Well then what's stopping you since I cited evidence. Please if that actually proved a auguring than there wouldn't be any sources saying that there is no official answer or the side saying he threw the fight. Also Lucas also said that windu overpowered windu. He is describing that specific scene. Not really saying he beat him legitamently p.

Really sidiosu is the true lord of the Sith. Did you see mauls face when sidiosu walked in. Maul can't even use force lightning. Maul clusltn do,anything until he got his mother then he got somewhere. Before that he was begging for his mercy like a little baby. At least Dooku didn't beg like a little b****. Dooku took it like a man.

Evidence says differently. So do the polls.

If someone overcomes someone then they did it on their own. If Sheev let himself be overcome that means he threw the fight, dummy.

Sheev is a coward and backs down. That's weak.

Dooku went to his death like a true servant not even objecting. Maul defiantly objected at Sheev's rule in son of dathomir. He isn't afraid.

You haven't seen the film so you wouldn't know. Evidence says Khan wins.