Khan Noonien Singh vs. Yoda

Originally posted by quanchi112
Probably hit something before. Again I see no evidence of him missing.

What did he hit before? What do you see?

You say you see "no evidence of Khan missing," yes? Does that mean you see a blank screen? Is the image broken? Or is this something else altogether?

Help me see through your eyes. I look at this screenshot, and I see one of Khan's blasts hitting a wall. You apparently see something different, so help me understand. How do you experience the world?

Could the answer be as simple as different interpretations of the same thing, or is one of us actually seeing a different image? Inquiring minds want to know. Pretty interesting subject, really.

What is it about this image that causes such staggering variance?

Originally posted by The Scenario
What did he hit before? What do you see?

You say you see "no evidence of Khan missing," yes? Does that mean you see a blank screen? Is the image broken? Or is this something else altogether?

Help me see through your eyes. I look at this screenshot, and I see one of Khan's blasts hitting a wall. You apparently see something different, so help me understand. How do you experience the world?

Could he answer be as simple as different interpretations of the same thing, or is one of us actually seeing a different image? Inquiring minds want to know. Pretty interesting subject, really.

Originally posted by quanchi112
your images are not proof.

logic of an insane man

Originally posted by Lestov16
logic of an insane man

You're no fun. I asked what you saw, not what you didn't see.

What is there prior to the screenshot, anyway?

Well, there's the bit where the Klingons start dropping in, is that sufficient? Tell me what you see here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Quit being silly. Its like saying we never saw him cook a steak I bet he can't. Based on his skill and the scene we see him firing on multiple targets at once as opposed to this one on one situation.

Yoda's an epic failure.

I am only following the format you have established, which is to provide showings for proposed results. There are no showings for either character being able to cook a steak, so that cannot be determined. It also does not have much to do with the debate at hand.

Based on the scene, the showings available for observation, we never see Khan firing both weapons at the same time. He does fire on multiple targets, yes, but he alternates fire between each gun. By this, and your format, Khan is unable to wield both simultaneously.

Yoda survives wartime, trains a new generation, which leads to the fall of the Sith. That sounds more like a success to me.

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Originally posted by The Scenario
You're no fun. I asked what you saw, not what you didn't see.

What is there prior to the screenshot, anyway?

Well, there's the bit where the Klingons start dropping in, is that sufficient? Tell me what you see here.

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Originally posted by Lestov16
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Originally posted by quanchi112
We can't see what's inbetween them and Khan. That's the point.

Can you please elaborate on this? I'm not sure what you're claiming here.

Do you believe there is something between Khan and Klingons that would throw off Khan's aim? If so, can you you prove this? What is it, and why does it screw Khan up so much he fails to hit four easy targets?

I guess what I'm asking is, what are you basing this on?

Edit: Here's the video in a form you can use- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2E_RSJAhYU

iFail.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Can you please elaborate on this? I'm not sure what you're claiming here.

Do you believe there is something between Khan and Klingons that would throw off Khan's aim? If so, can you you prove this? What is it, and why does it screw Khan up so much he fails to hit four easy targets?

I guess what I'm asking is, what are you basing this on?

Edit: Here's the video in a form you can use- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2E_RSJAhYU

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
iFail.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He might have hit someone prior to. We just can't say for certain.

Are you saying that the beam hit somebody and deflected it, causing it to stray off of linear course? LOL

Originally posted by Lestov16
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Originally posted by Lestov16
Are you saying that the beam hit an object and deflected it, causing it to miss? LOL

So he hit the intended target, but rather than dissipate on contact like all other phaser beams when hitting it's target, it killed him, then bounced off of him, and dissipated in the air. Umm....

Originally posted by Lestov16
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Originally posted by Lestov16
So he hit the intended target, but rather than dissipate on contact like all other phaser beams when hitting it's target, it killed him, then bounced off of him, and dissipated in the air. Umm....

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Are you phucking joking? The ONLY answer is no. The chance of there being a yes.....there is no chance. A zero out of infinity chance. Your hilariously weak justification of why we see Khan clearly miss several shots despite you claims of perfect accuracy outright defies the physical nature of the ST universe. Phaser beams dissipate on contact of the target. They don't bounce off of targets. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about this. No speculation. Khan undisuptedly missed.

Originally posted by Lestov16
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Are you phucking joking? The ONLY answer is no. The chance of there being a yes.....there is no chance. A zero out of infinity chance. Your hilariously weak justification of why we see Khan clearly miss several shots despite you claims of perfect accuracy outright defies the physical nature of the ST universe. Phaser beams dissipate on contact of the target. They don't bounce off of targets. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about this. No speculation. Khan undisuptedly missed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He might have hit someone prior to. We just can't say for certain.

Can you prove this claim? I know you say, we can't say for certain, but honestly, why not? You can't just throw a 'maybe he hit something else' without evidence to back it up. What did he hit and how? Until those questions are answered you're just dodging the point.

Well, first I'd like you to prove the claim that phaser blasts can bounce off of targets. That would be a start.

Then prove it. You can play let's count speculation as a fact all you want but you'll completely change your tune in a few months when you start riding my coattails again.

Actually, because this is your claim, it's up to you to prove it. If you want there to be something in the way, you must have some evidence to back it up. Until you do so, the evidence shows Khan missing.