Khan Noonien Singh vs. Yoda

Originally posted by The Scenario
Can you prove this claim? I know you say, we can't say for certain, but honestly, why not? You can't just throw a 'maybe he hit something else' without evidence to back it up. What did he hit and how? Until those questions are answered you're just dodging the point.

Well, first I'd like you to prove the claim that phaser blasts can bounce off of targets. That would be a start.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No proof either way. There's never been definitive proof he has missed despite your backflips. You can believe he missed but you can't prove it. Onus is on you.

Khan's blasts hit zero out of four Klingons.

Point proven. Please present you counter evidence. (Not counter argument, you must actually present evidence that counters this or you lose. Do you want to lose?)

Originally posted by The Scenario

Khan's blasts hit zero out of four Klingons.

Point proven. Please present you counter evidence. (Not counter argument, you must actually present evidence that counters this or you lose. Do you want to lose?)

How is this 46 pages? Also, Yoda wins.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
How is this 46 pages? Also, Yoda wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Due to Yoda lovers not seeing reason.

You're kidding me, right? Yoda has Force precognition; he anticipated the attacks of the Clone Troopers before they took place. He is faster than anyone in the series, and he can you know, TK like a boss. Like when he chucks things the size of buses around and knocks out two imperial guards with a gesture upon entering the emperor's office. What's top stop him from cracking Khan's skull on a wall? The inability to make concessions in a debate? Yes, maybe that.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We don't see what happened prior to or if he hit someone else. Onus is on you.

Incorrect. I made my claim (Khan missed) and backed it up with visual evidence (the .gifs and images.) That has proved my argument.

You have presented a counter argument (that he hit something else), therefore it is up to you to back up that claim. You have not done so, so you have not proven your argument.

So yeah, the Burden of Proof (or "onus" as you say) is actually on you. I don't have to disprove your argument; you are the one that has to prove it. Or else you lose.

It's even worse than that. Not only is his counter-argument not backed by on-screen evidence, but it also defies logic, because it claims that phaser beams can do something that they can't.

^ Khan is the one on the left or right; take your pick.

facepalm jeez 46 pages

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
You're kidding me, right? Yoda has Force precognition; he anticipated the attacks of the Clone Troopers before they took place. He is faster than anyone in the series, and he can you know, TK like a boss. Like when he chucks things the size of buses around and knocks out two imperial guards with a gesture upon entering the emperor's office. What's top stop him from cracking Khan's skull on a wall? The inability to make concessions in a debate? Yes, maybe that.

Khan breaks skulls here not Yoda. Watch some movies for crying out loud, moose.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Incorrect. I made my claim (Khan missed) and backed it up with visual evidence (the .gifs and images.) That has proved my argument.

You have presented a counter argument (that he hit something else), therefore it is up to you to back up that claim. You have not done so, so you have not proven your argument.

So yeah, the Burden of Proof (or "onus" as you say) is actually on you. I don't have to disprove your argument; you are the one that has to prove it. Or else you lose.

Originally posted by Lestov16
It's even worse than that. Not only is his counter-argument not backed by on-screen evidence, but it also defies logic, because it claims that phaser beams can do something that they can't.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Onus is on him, cheerleader.

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You are asking him to prove a negative you dimwit. He does not have to prove there was anything between the gun and the impact site, because as Les pointed out, if anything were between the impact point and the barrel of the gun, it would have ABSORBED the shot. Phaser shots don't bounce off bodies.

You made the erroneous claim of there being something in the way that would not absorb the shot and it was an intended target. Prove this claim immediately or concede.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
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You are asking him to prove a negative you dimwit. He does not have to prove there was anything between the gun and the impact site, because as Les pointed out, if anything were between the impact point and the barrel of the gun, it would have [b]ABSORBED the shot. Phaser shots don't bounce off bodies.

You made the erroneous claim of there being something in the way that would not absorb the shot and it was an intended target. Prove this claim immediately or concede. [/B]

Originally posted by quanchi112
We don't see Khan shoot and misfire so again not my job to disprove his baseless claim.

We do see the missed shots. They do hot hit any targets, they hit walls. The evidence is right there. You have failed.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
We do see the missed shots. They do hot hit any targets, they hit walls. The evidence is right there. You have failed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Speculation but at no point do we see him fire at a target in front of him and miss. Speculation. He failed and you as well.

That is YOUR speculation though. You are trying to justify those misses in a horribly convoluted and unproven way.

Your original speculation was that Khan had 100% perfect accuracy. This was disproven, and now you are flipping through flaming hoops to try and justify it. "Those are not misses! He hits peeps offscreen!!! I swear it!" was shouted, by you, with absolutely nothing to substantiate it.

Considering the only people he was aiming at were Klingons, as evidenced by him shooting several. If a shot is shown heading towards a Klingon and missing, then the only logical conclusion is that Khan straight up missed.

Hehehehe, logical.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We also see Yoda taken out by a very slow hand gesture from Palpatine along with him failing to defeat Dooku.

Khan breaks skulls here not Yoda. Watch some movies for crying out loud, moose.