also, I'm just going to go ahead and point out the blatant hypocrisy in what you are claiming:
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Feminists have successfully uprooted Patriarchy in USA
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Gender equality is a myth by the way. It can never be accomplished.
the first point suggests things are equal, while the second suggests they can't be.
good thing your mouth has two sides to talk out of, no?
Originally posted by Oliver North
also, I'm just going to go ahead and point out the blatant hypocrisy in what you are claiming:[...]
the first point suggests things are equal, while the second suggests they can't be.
good thing your mouth has two sides to talk out of, no?
Within human race, males are biologically stronger then females. This is why males are tasked with greater responsibilities and tougher roles then females in many societies in the world.
Even if we consider other species; one particular gender is dominant over the other. Among mammals, male gender is typically dominant.
In case of human societies; it can be either be patriarchy or matriarchy. Their is no middle-ground because gender struggles are non-stop.
Originally posted by Oliver North
I don't understand why you think you are better read than I am [you aren't], and I literally just asked you what kind of argument you wanted me to make [and you pussied out like a beta]...
Originally posted by Oliver North
[and you pussied out like a beta]...
😂
Dated a feminist once. It was before I really had a grasp on the arguments surrounding it. I liked to poke fun at it. I was probably quite insensitive.
Like anything, it runs the gamut from rage-induced paranoia and delusion, to reasoned pleas and advocacy for equality where it currently doesn't exist. Separating the gems from the BS is half the battle, as with most sociological debates.
To me, it seems obvious that several gender-related issues, for either gender, are ignored or poorly handled in society (whether it's education, business, media portrayal, etc). However, framing it as a competition or war between the two sexes is perhaps the most unproductive approach possible.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Within human race, males are biologically stronger then females. This is why males are tasked with greater responsibilities and tougher roles then females in many societies in the world.
I'm not sure what your point is? men established a patriarchal system due to physical dominance and therefore it is right?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Even if we consider other species; one particular gender is dominant over the others. Among mammals, male gender is typically dominant.
LOL
be VERY careful with this. you mean among primates, and even then, "dominance" is not a black and white issue.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
In case of human societies; it can be either be patriarchy or matriarchy. Their is no middle-ground because gender struggles are continues.
even if that is the case, which it isn't, you have made no assertion that comes close to suggesting we are in a matriarchy...
I'm sure at least two really liberal people will come on here, misinterpret, and bash me but........................
The worst thing to be is a Middle Class or Poor White Man in America.
Comedy shows have consistently downgraded middle class White maen for the last two decades. The Simpsons has an idiot husband and a wife that carries him. Family Guy is another example. Middle class white men are displayed as stupid and ineffective, yet they are still viewed as having a hand in slavery.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I offered sources to support my points. What have you done thus far apart from engaging in mud-slinging and shaming tactics? These tactics will not work on me. Better man-up and bring forth evidence to counter my argument, if you have any.
I've offered to provide evidence twice now. However, your debating tactics seem dubious at best, so rather than have you hand wave or move the goal posts, I want to know what you would consider to be evidence of patriarchy.
Like, do you want statistics? do you want testimonial or anecdotal stories from women and men? do you want legal decisions or precedence? You aren't the first "man pride" activist I've spoken to, and frankly, you guys make us look bad. For someone like myself, who actually takes gender issues seriously, you look like a 5 year old throwing a tantrum.
Its not that you don't have valid criticisms or that there aren't equality issues that men face, you just have such a limited understanding of gender issues in general that it comes off as "waaaaa, I'm mad I can't beat my wife when dinner is late"
Originally posted by Raisen
The worst thing to be is a Middle Class or Poor White Man in America.Comedy shows have consistently downgraded middle class White maen for the last two decades. The Simpsons has an idiot husband and a wife that carries him. Family Guy is another example. Middle class white men are displayed as stupid and ineffective, yet they are still viewed as having a hand in slavery.
being a white male is the worst because you are the butt of jokes on sitcoms?
Originally posted by Oliver North
being a white male is the worst because you are the butt of jokes on sitcoms?
lol. too lazy to write everything in one blurb, much rather respond to others.
Firstly, I'm half white.
Secondly, for the last two decades these sitcoms have come to represent what many think about middle class white males.
Originally posted by Oliver North
I'm not sure what your point is? men established a patriarchal system due to physical dominance and therefore it is right?
Originally posted by Oliver North
LOLbe VERY careful with this. you mean among primates, and even then, "dominance" is not a black and white issue.
However, that physical dominance aspect does not goes wasted in other life forms. For example: Male lions adopt the roles of "protector" of their prides/families but female lions adopt the role of "provider" within their prides/families.
Originally posted by Oliver North
even if that is the case, which it isn't, you have made no assertion that comes close to suggesting we are in a matriarchy...
And their are more signs.
Originally posted by Raisen
lol. too lazy to write everything in one blurb, much rather respond to others.
Firstly, I'm half white.
Secondly, for the last two decades these sitcoms have come to represent what many think about middle class white males.
ok, I just want to make sure I understand you:
being a white male in the middle class is the worst because you think people believe they are lazy, fat and stupid?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
1. Introduction of laws favoring women
2. Emasculation of men in society
3. Women outnumbering men in education institutions; women will become the dominant workforce in future if this trend continues.
4. Male exclusive clubs/institutions vanishing with passage of time. In contrast, female exclusive clubs/institutions on the rise.And their are more signs.
this is the best you have?
**** man, I could make your argument better than you could
Originally posted by Raisen
I'm sure at least two really liberal people will come on here, misinterpret, and bash me but........................The worst thing to be is a Middle Class or Poor White Man in America.
Comedy shows have consistently downgraded middle class White maen for the last two decades. The Simpsons has an idiot husband and a wife that carries him. Family Guy is another example. Middle class white men are displayed as stupid and ineffective, yet they are still viewed as having a hand in slavery.
Bash, no. But I think "worst" is a gross embellishment. There are struggles with the human condition, period. No class, role, or context will change that. But unless you're beneath the poverty line, your standard of living in America is very good relative to the rest of the world - industrialized or not.
Your other talking point is...comedy shows. It's hard to see that as a serious argument. The Simpsons are repressing you? Maybe this is the misinterpretation you're talking about, but you're going to have to elaborate to make a stronger argument.
Originally posted by Raisen
lol. too lazy to write everything in one blurb, much rather respond to others.
Firstly, I'm half white.
Secondly, for the last two decades these sitcoms have come to represent what many think about middle class white males.
Which is still way better than some. Are you forbidden to hold public office because of your religion? Are you lynched and persecuted because of your sexual orientation? Are you guaranteed to earn less in the workplace because of your gender?
Struggles everywhere, agreed. But worst? Perspective.
Originally posted by Oliver North
and that makes them the worst off? Like, there is no other combination of gender/race/class that has it worse than male/white/middle class?
pop culture displays white men as lazy, stupid. whereas other races within the same economic class prevail with their "wit" or "swag" it's a slow mindwash that has been occurring for decades.
you may not take this seriously, but the media greatly influences and shapes the younger generation of it's time. Kriss Kross had people wearing their pants backwards. MC Hammer had people wearing balloon pants. It's something you can't ignore. middle class white men are generally considered narrow minded, ignorant, racist, and weak. this is what has been pumping through the airwaves for decades
Originally posted by Digi
Bash, no. But I think "worst" is a gross embellishment. There are struggles with the human condition, period. No class, role, or context will change that. But unless you're beneath the poverty line, your standard of living in America is very good relative to the rest of the world - industrialized or not.Your other talking point is...comedy shows. It's hard to see that as a serious argument. The Simpsons are repressing you? Maybe this is the misinterpretation you're talking about, but you're going to have to elaborate to make a stronger argument.
Which is still way better than some. Are you forbidden to hold public office because of your religion? Are you lynched and persecuted because of your sexual orientation? Are you guaranteed to earn less in the workplace because of your gender?
Struggles everywhere, agreed. But worst? Perspective.
i'm speaking only of the u.s.
Originally posted by Raisen
pop culture displays white men as lazy, stupid. whereas other races within the same economic class prevail with their "wit" or "swag" it's a slow mindwash that has been occurring for decades.
you may not take this seriously, but the media greatly influences and shapes the younger generation of it's time. Kriss Kross had people wearing their pants backwards. MC Hammer had people wearing balloon pants. It's something you can't ignore. middle class white men are generally considered narrow minded, ignorant, racist, and weak. this is what has been pumping through the airwaves for decades
even without ever meeting the candidate, resumes that have ethnic names are far less likely to be called in for an interview, much less gain employment, than are those typically associated with whites.
pop culture can eat a dick
Originally posted by Oliver North
I've offered to provide evidence twice now. However, your debating tactics seem dubious at best, so rather than have you hand wave or move the goal posts, I want to know what you would consider to be evidence of patriarchy.Like, do you want statistics? do you want testimonial or anecdotal stories from women and men? do you want legal decisions or precedence? You aren't the first "man pride" activist I've spoken to, and frankly, you guys make us look bad. For someone like myself, who actually takes gender issues seriously, you look like a 5 year old throwing a tantrum.
Its not that you don't have valid criticisms or that there aren't equality issues that men face, you just have such a limited understanding of gender issues in general that it comes off as "waaaaa, I'm mad I can't beat my wife when dinner is late"
It is guys like you actually who make men look bad. As soon as a man choses to disengage from "female pedestalization," white knights in shining armor like you begin to attack them with shaming language, mud-slinging tactics and name-calling. You should be ashamed of your behavior.
Either discredit the sources which I have cited with evidence or SU.
Originally posted by Oliver North
this is the best you have?**** man, I could make your argument better than you could
Go back to page 1 and recheck the sources which I chose to cite.