Mephisto Vs tiamut

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TheGodKiller True Killer

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
no,
Mephisto = galactus (he stalemated him) > tiamut

Piss-poor logic. A hungry Galactus was taking Meph to the limit in the latter's own realm.

A fully unleashed Franklin Richards atomized an amped Mephisto in the latter's own realm.

Mephisto's fight with Galactus is pretty much his highest feat ever.

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
no, nor was he scared, he said he could 'feel' that the dreaming celestial had finally awoke

Do you even read comics? It was clearly stated on-panel that Galactus once again knew the meaning of fear when Tiamut awoke.

LeonBuco666 Rip Guy222

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Piss-poor logic. A hungry Galactus was taking Meph to the limit in the latter's own realm.

A fully unleashed Franklin Richards atomized an amped Mephisto in the latter's own realm.

Mephisto's fight with Galactus is pretty much his highest feat ever.

Do you even read comics? It was clearly stated on-panel that Galactus once again knew the meaning of fear when Tiamut awoke.

when he heard the echos throughout the universe he didn't think he would hear again, galactus knew what it was again to be afraid.........I don't see that as galactus actually being afraid of tiamut, more afraid of the power tiamut actually posses, which galactus imo surpasses by a fair margin

NO, I have stated this numerous times galactus was nourished when he fought meph in his own realm, it ended in a stalemate & quote, ”a last, the great hunger is once again upon me,I have drained my energy and now must I feed"
He began to feed on mephs realm, meph said (I think) "NO stop it, no mere mortals lives are worth more than that of my realm, you can't do that!"
Galactus in return "I do what I do' - meaning he eats things for power obviously
Galactus was NOT hungry when he entered mehpisto's realm, and when he left he was....I haven't read meph getting tooled by franklin, but that must be PIS
Mephisto is all powerful and basically God in his own realm, I'm calling PIS on that one

Igniz I reign supreme!

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
when he heard the echos throughout the universe he didn't think he would hear again, galactus knew what it was again to be afraid.........I don't see that as galactus actually being afraid of tiamut, more afraid of the power tiamut actually posses, which galactus imo surpasses by a fair margin

NO, I have stated this numerous times galactus was nourished when he fought meph in his own realm, it ended in a stalemate & quote, ”a last, the great hunger is once again upon me,I have drained my energy and now must I feed"
He began to feed on mephs realm, meph said (I think) "NO stop it, no mere mortals lives are worth more than that of my realm, you can't do that!"
Galactus in return "I do what I do' - meaning he eats things for power obviously
Galactus was NOT hungry when he entered mehpisto's realm, and when he left he was....I haven't read meph getting tooled by franklin, but that must be PIS
Mephisto is all powerful and basically God in his own realm, I'm calling PIS on that one

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TheGodKiller True Killer

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
when he heard the echos throughout the universe he didn't think he would hear again, galactus knew what it was again to be afraid.........I don't see that as galactus actually being afraid of tiamut, more afraid of the power tiamut actually posses, which galactus imo surpasses by a fair margin

Those echoes were produced by Tiamut, and Galactus knew that this signaled his reawakening. You're taking that entire scene out of context.
Originally posted by LeonBuco666
NO, I have stated this numerous times galactus was nourished when he fought meph in his own realm, it ended in a stalemate & quote, ”a last, the great hunger is once again upon me,I have drained my energy and now must I feed"

Again taking things out of context, eh? It was made abundantly clear that the Silver Surfer was the one who suggested to Galactus to feed upon Mephisto's realm in order to avoid a potential universe-wide catastrophe.

Which comic were you reading again? Because it was made very clear that a lot of time passed between each feeding, and Galactus simply got hungrier with every meal. He was deprived of his final meal prior to the battle:

Originally posted by LeonBuco666

He began to feed on mephs realm, meph said (I think) "NO stop it, no mere mortals lives are worth more than that of my realm, you can't do that!"
Galactus in return "I do what I do' - meaning he eats things for power obviously

Wrong. He started feeding to end their stalemate, and he did so wupon the Surfer's suggestion. Your overt implication that Galactus started feeding simply out of gnawing hunger doesn't fully hold up to what the on-panel evidence tells us.
Originally posted by LeonBuco666

Galactus was NOT hungry when he entered mehpisto's realm, and when he left he was....I haven't read meph getting tooled by franklin, but that must be PIS
Mephisto is all powerful and basically God in his own realm, I'm calling PIS on that one

So you're labeling a showing as PIS simply because you don't like it? Nevermind the fact that Franklin is a universal scale reality warper and undoubtedly one of the most powerful entities in the 616-universe, and it took his powers being fully unleashed to achieve said feat, or that Mephisto has been beaten in his realm before.

Even if had read the encounter, you would be just as likely to take it out of context as you did the Galactus/Mephisto encounter. I am willing to wager that you'd claim something like the "Dire Wraiths weakened Mephisto" even when it was the complete opposite in reality.

LeonBuco666 Rip Guy222

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Those echoes were produced by Tiamut, and Galactus knew that this signaled his reawakening. You're taking that entire scene out of context.

Again taking things out of context, eh? It was made abundantly clear that the Silver Surfer was the one who suggested to Galactus to feed upon Mephisto's realm in order to avoid a potential universe-wide catastrophe.

Which comic were you reading again? Because it was made very clear that a lot of time passed between each feeding, and Galactus simply got hungrier with every meal. He was deprived of his final meal prior to the battle:

Wrong. He started feeding to end their stalemate, and he did so wupon the Surfer's suggestion. Your overt implication that Galactus started feeding simply out of gnawing hunger doesn't fully hold up to what the on-panel evidence tells us.

So you're labeling a showing as PIS simply because you don't like it? Nevermind the fact that Franklin is a universal scale reality warper and undoubtedly one of the most powerful entities in the 616-universe, and it took his powers being [b]fully unleashed to achieve said feat, or that Mephisto has been beaten in his realm before.

Even if had read the encounter, you would be just as likely to take it out of context as you did the Galactus/Mephisto encounter. I am willing to wager that you'd claim something like the "Dire Wraiths weakened Mephisto" even when it was the complete opposite in reality. [/B]


I hadn't read the issue before, so I thought it was PIS because meph is basically god in his realm,
INO it was surfer who suggested it, inever said he didn't, but galactus still said 'this burning hunger is upon me'
And yes to end the stalemate, because mephisto was overpowering him but galactus was holding his own, surfer suggested to eat the realm because 1 galactus said his hunger is upon him again, and to end the fight that was risking the entire universe
NOT ONCE did I say surfer didn't suggest it, simply said galactus done it too either one, if mephisto didn't surrender he could basically kill two birds with one stone, feed his hunger and end the fight or just end the fight with mephisto surrendering like he did
I never read out of context

TheGodKiller True Killer

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
I hadn't read the issue before, so I thought it was PIS because meph is basically god in his realm,
INO it was surfer who suggested it, inever said he didn't, but galactus still said 'this burning hunger is upon me'

How does it matter that he's god in his realm? He's below high-end cosmic beings, and a reality warper as powerful as Franklin(he ranks among the top 5 Marvel mutant reality warpers) should be capable of overwhelming him in his own realm, particularly when Franklin's power has been fully unleashed.
Originally posted by LeonBuco666

And yes to end the stalemate, because mephisto was overpowering him but galactus was holding his own, surfer suggested to eat the realm because 1 galactus said his hunger is upon him again, and to end the fight that was risking the entire universe

Overpowering him? You have some serious reading comprehension issues. Not once anywhere was it implied that Mephisto was "overpowering" him or even gaining the upper hand. Galactus resorted devouring Hades because that was the only way to break off their evenly matched battle, which was threatening the universe entire.
Originally posted by LeonBuco666

NOT ONCE did I say surfer didn't suggest it, simply said galactus done it too either one, if mephisto didn't surrender he could basically kill two birds with one stone, feed his hunger and end the fight or just end the fight with mephisto surrendering like he did

You conveniently ignored the Surfer bit, until it was pointed out to you. Anyways, the point is that Galactus didn't come to Hades to satiate his hunger. He came there for his herald. Him deciding to act upon the Silver Surfer's suggestion, and getting a bonus advantage by getting a quick snack from Hades, doesn't support your position one bit.
Originally posted by LeonBuco666

I never read out of context

Sure. 🙄

Mr.SunKing Senior Member

I don't see Galactus taking Tiamut at ALL, from what he I recalled he handles Arishem, someone who has a great showing against 3 sky fathers, plus an ampled destroyer armor.

plus, the Celestials were intended to surpass Galactus regardless

TheGodKiller True Killer

Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
I don't see Galactus taking Tiamut at ALL, from what he I recalled he handles Arishem, someone who has a great showing against 3 sky fathers, plus an ampled destroyer armor.

Galactus has killed Celestials, the very same Celestials that were shown to resist an alternate UN and an alternate IG on different occasions. Tiamut was killed in a recent comic by an energy feeder, and seeing how Galactus is the very embodiment of energy feeding, that doesn't bode well for Tiamut...
Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
plus, the Celestials were intended to surpass Galactus regardless

That was decades ago. Since then, from Infinity Gauntlet to Cancerverse, they have clearly been portrayed as peers.

LeonBuco666 Rip Guy222

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
How does it matter that he's god in his realm? He's below high-end cosmic beings, and a reality warper as powerful as Franklin(he ranks among the top 5 Marvel mutant reality warpers) should be capable of overwhelming him in his own realm, particularly when Franklin's power has been fully unleashed.

Overpowering him? You have some serious reading comprehension issues. Not once anywhere was it implied that Mephisto was "overpowering" him or even gaining the upper hand. Galactus resorted devouring Hades because that was the only way to break off their evenly matched battle, which was threatening the universe entire.

You conveniently ignored the Surfer bit, until it was pointed out to you. Anyways, the point is that Galactus didn't come to Hades to satiate his hunger. He came there for his herald. Him deciding to act upon the Silver Surfer's suggestion, and getting a bonus advantage by getting a quick snack from Hades, doesn't support your position one bit.

Sure. 🙄


Yes, overpowering him, he did gain the upper hand right at the climatic point of the fight, in which galactus stated his burning hunger was upon him again(due to the rgy output during the fight) surfer THEN suggested he begin eating hades to end the fight as galactus was becoming overpowered.
I never ignored it, I simply saying what galactus did,
Your telling me things I already know, you are reading what I'm saying wrong, I know galactus went there to reclaim his herald which meph imprisoned, mephisto thought he was a cheeky **** and challenged him, grew himself to the same size as galactus and engaged him in battle, they battled disrupting many pkanets solar systems galaxies and risked destroying the entir universe, he then stated his burning hunger was upon him, surfer then suggested to eat hades to end the fight in which galactus was being overpowered(AT THAT POINT) he did so, and mephisto surrendered the heralds, which was the intended reaction for galactus

LeonBuco666 Rip Guy222

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Galactus has killed Celestials, the very same Celestials that were shown to resist an alternate UN and an alternate IG on different occasions. Tiamut was killed in a recent comic by an energy feeder, and seeing how Galactus is the very embodiment of energy feeding, that doesn't bode well for Tiamut...

That was decades ago. Since then, from Infinity Gauntlet to Cancerverse, they have clearly been portrayed as peers.


At least we agree on something 😂

Wasn't galactus' creation simply to keep the celestials in check?
He would devour planets to make sure the celestials populace never got out of hand wouldn't he? Or is that the alternate universe version?

TheGodKiller True Killer

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
Yes, overpowering him, he did gain the upper hand right at the climatic point of the fight, in which galactus stated his burning hunger was upon him again(due to the rgy output during the fight) surfer THEN suggested he begin eating hades to end the fight as galactus was becoming overpowered.

Now you're just plain lying. No he did not gain the upper hand at any point of the fight. When Galactus retreated to begin feeding on his realm, Meph thought that meant that Galactus was surrendering, bu that was not the case.
Originally posted by LeonBuco666

I never ignored it, I simply saying what galactus did,

You sure did everytime you claimed that Galactus resorted to eating the Hades because he was losing ground, or that Meph had him on the ropes.
Originally posted by LeonBuco666

Your telling me things I already know, you are reading what I'm saying wrong, I know galactus went there to reclaim his herald which meph imprisoned, mephisto thought he was a cheeky **** and challenged him, grew himself to the same size as galactus and engaged him in battle, they battled disrupting many pkanets solar systems galaxies and risked destroying the entir universe, he then stated his burning hunger was upon him, surfer then suggested to eat hades to end the fight in which galactus was being overpowered(AT THAT POINT) he did so, and mephisto surrendered the heralds, which was the intended reaction for galactus

Except that you either conveniently ignore bits that you don't like, i.e Galactus being implied to be hungry before or that encounter, or you just make shit up by claiming that Meph had him on the run.

TheGodKiller True Killer

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
Wasn't galactus' creation simply to keep the celestials in check?
He would devour planets to make sure the celestials populace never got out of hand wouldn't he? Or is that the alternate universe version?

Earth X and it's not canon. Your ignorance of the forum rules can only be matched by your reading comprehension issues combined with an inability to take things in context.

Naija boy Senior Member

Tiamut stomps

Mr.SunKing Senior Member
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Galactus has killed Celestials, the very same Celestials that were shown to resist an alternate UN and an alternate IG on different occasions. Tiamut was killed in a recent comic by an energy feeder, and seeing how Galactus is the very embodiment

Haven't read the entire comic for myself yet, but from the scans the Celestials created these little buggers, which are in turn devouring the multiverse

and far as energy feeding, valid point I don't think tiamut would just sit there and allow Galactus to even attempt, moreover, he did not resort to such tactus with his battle during the mad Celestials, I need more context for the Tiamut situation, it's as if he was just standing there.

The entire story arc smells like PIS though, A celestial getting assassinated by thor's x enchanted weapon?
smells a bit funny

Originally posted by TheGodKiller That was decades ago. Since then, from Infinity Gauntlet to Cancerverse, they have clearly been portrayed as peers.

true, they more or less have been portrayed as peers, however, with their limited appearances, they have been portrayed as a bit more powerful.
Also, he had to additionally amp to stand a chance
Hickman even stated that they did not even have tom merge to deal with Galactus, but chose to do so to move things along.

TheGodKiller True Killer

Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
[b]Haven't read the entire comic for myself yet, but from the scans the Celestials created these little buggers, which are in turn devouring the multiverse

and far as energy feeding, valid point I don't think tiamut would just sit there and allow Galactus to even attempt, moreover, he did not resort to such tactus with his battle during the mad Celestials, I need more context for the Tiamut situation, it's as if he was just standing there.

The entire story arc smells like PIS though, A celestial getting assassinated by thor's x enchanted weapon?
smells a bit funny
[/B]


Yes, it's true the Celestials designed them to feed on energy, and they have the potential to feed on the multiverse eventually. Doesn't take away from the fact that one of these things managed to kill off one of the most powerful Celestials in canon though.

He was unable to cut off the link that the Exterminator established. It's not in character for Galactus to simply start eating his opponent, but if he goes for such a strategy, Tiamut is in a world of trouble.

Well, to be fair to Tiamut, he'd just woken from having a multiversal hole blown in his brain, but there was no indication on-panel that it had compromised his powers in any way.

Also, that Asgardian Axe(Jarnbjorn) thing happened in a different series, under a different writer.

Originally posted by Mr.SunKing

[b]true, they more or less have been portrayed as peers, however, with their limited appearances, they have been portrayed as a bit more powerful.
Also, he had to additionally amp to stand a chance
Hickman even stated that they did not even have tom merge to deal with Galactus, but chose to do so to move things along. [/B]

I doubt it. Galactus outperformed them during the Cancerverse invasion, so indirect comparisons pertaining skyfathers and such isn't really relevant here. They have always been portrayed as peers in terms of sheer power, with Galactus being showcased as the better fighter in a battle.

LeonBuco666 Rip Guy222

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Earth X and it's not canon. Your ignorance of the forum rules can only be matched by your reading comprehension issues combined with an inability to take things in context.
your an annoying little prick aren't you?
I gave you the basic overview of the fight, they came to a climax in which neither were winning, then galactus began to lose energy, surfer 'suggested' he eat hades to end the fight as he was being overpowered, so he needed to end the fight, galactus knew that mephisto would not choose the heralds over his own realm
You call me ignorant, basically up front say I can't read, when I blaintently can, you just being an *******
I quote something you said asking you a question, you reply to me by saying I'm ignorant and my reading is bascially shit, I can read things in context perfectly well, you've just decided to think your better than me, and 100 percent right when you are actually wrong, never mind. I'm not gonna waste my time

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

Celestials that were shown to resist an alternate IG on different occasions.

A working IG in its native reality? Can I see, or what books?

JakeTheBank Return of the King

Tiamut.

Lol.

TheGodKiller True Killer

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
your an annoying little prick aren't you?
I gave you the basic overview of the fight, they came to a climax in which neither were winning, then galactus began to lose energy, surfer 'suggested' he eat hades to end the fight as he was being overpowered, so he needed to end the fight, galactus knew that mephisto would not choose the heralds over his own realm
You call me ignorant, basically up front say I can't read, when I blaintently can, you just being an *******
I quote something you said asking you a question, you reply to me by saying I'm ignorant and my reading is bascially shit, I can read things in context perfectly well, you've just decided to think your better than me, and 100 percent right when you are actually wrong, never mind. I'm not gonna waste my time

Nope, what you're doing is assuming things like Surfer suggesting that to him because he was "losing" the fight, when in actuality the Surfer did so to prevent the universal-scale collateral damage that would have followed had the fight gone to the distance.

Again, let me repeat it for you: at no point was Galactus either harmed or actually in threat of losing the fight. He resorted to eating Hades upon the Silver Surfer's suggestion, and the Surfer suggested this to him in the first place so that their universe-threatening conflict could be ended. The Surfer didn't do so out of some convoluted fear that Galactus was about to lose the battle or something.

You also ignored the scan I provided in which it is shown that Galactus was deprived of a planetary feast prior to the battle.

TheGodKiller True Killer

Originally posted by Mr Master
A working IG in its native reality? Can I see, or what books?

It was working all right, just not in its native reality. It didn't need to be anyway, as it was linked just fine to its native universe.